How do I do this integration by substitution?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function ∫1/(3+((2x)^.5))dx, focusing on the method of substitution in integration. Participants are exploring the correct application of substitution techniques in calculus.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the substitution of u = 3 + ((2x)^.5) and the implications of this substitution on the integral. There are questions about whether certain terms can be factored out of the integral and how to express dx in terms of u and du. Some participants express confusion regarding the steps involved in the substitution process.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications on the substitution method. There is a recognition of the need to eliminate all instances of x from the integral, and some guidance has been offered on how to achieve this. While one participant reports reaching the correct answer, others continue to seek clarification on the steps involved.

Contextual Notes

There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the substitution process, with participants expressing varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the integration steps. The original poster's frustration with the problem is noted, highlighting the challenges faced in mastering integration techniques.

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Homework Statement


∫1/(3+((2x)^.5))dx

the answer should be ((2x)^.5) - 3ln(3+((2x)^.5)) + c

I keep getting ((2x)^.5) - ln(3+((2x)^.5)) + c


Homework Equations



∫1/(3+((2x)^.5))dx

The Attempt at a Solution



I did:

u = 3 + ((2x)^.5)
du = 1/((2x)^.5) dx

du((2x)^.5) = dx

so my integral is:

((2x)^.5) ∫ (1/u) du

from there I integrated and got:

((2x)^.5) - ln(3+((2x)^.5)) + c

Please explain this problem is driving me crazy.
 
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shreddinglicks said:
I did:

u = 3 + ((2x)^.5)
du = 1/((2x)^.5) dx

du((2x)^.5) = dx

so my integral is:

((2x)^.5) ∫ (1/u) du

You can't take the ((2x)^.5) outside the integral. x is not a constant!

You substituted u = 3 + ((2x)^.5)
so ((2x)^.5) = u - 3
 
AlephZero said:
You can't take the ((2x)^.5) outside the integral. x is not a constant!

You substituted u = 3 + ((2x)^.5)
so ((2x)^.5) = u - 3

Ok, so I take the derivative of

((2x)^.5) = u - 3

which gives me

du = 1/((2x)^.5)

I'm a bit confused, could you please elaborate on the steps?
 
You were doing OK the first time, as far as
du((2x)^.5) = dx

To do the substitution you need to get rid of ALL the x's.
So need to find dx in terms of u and du, not x and du.
That gives you
du(u-3) = dx.
 
AlephZero said:
You were doing OK the first time, as far as
du((2x)^.5) = dx

To do the substitution you need to get rid of ALL the x's.
So need to find dx in terms of u and du, not x and du.
That gives you
du(u-3) = dx.

Please excuse me if I'm sounding stupid

So I do:

(u-3)^2 = 2x

I use chain rule on left side and get:

2(u-3) = 2

the 2's cancel and I get:

du(u-3) = dx
 
You can do it like that if you want, but you already found
du((2x)^.5) = dx
and you know that
((2x)^.5) = u - 3
so you can just substitute u-3 for ((2x)^.5)

Either way, now have got
du(u-3) = dx
you can substitute that into the integral and finish the question.
 
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AlephZero said:
You can do it like that if you want, but you already found
du((2x)^.5) = dx
and you know that
((2x)^.5) = u - 3
so you can just substitute u-3 for ((2x)^.5)

Either way, now have got
du(u-3) = dx
you can substitute that into the integral and finish the question.

Thanks, I didn't see it that way till you showed me. I got the right answer now.

Thanks a bunch!
 

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