How Do I Solve These Thermodynamics Problems in Building Systems Engineering?

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The discussion revolves around solving thermodynamics problems related to building systems engineering. Participants are seeking assistance with specific problems from a textbook, focusing on the application of the ideal gas law and the concept of specific volume in calculations.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving two thermodynamics problems and requests step-by-step guidance.
  • For the first problem, another participant prompts for the definition of specific volume and suggests reviewing the ideal gas equation.
  • A participant calculates the density from specific volume but finds their answer does not match the expected result.
  • Another participant notes the importance of unit consistency and clarifies that the problem requires gage pressure rather than absolute pressure.
  • Participants mention the existence of variations of the ideal gas law that may be relevant to the problems at hand.

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There is no consensus on the solutions to the problems, and participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the application of the ideal gas law and specific volume. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple approaches being suggested.

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Participants have not fully clarified the assumptions behind their calculations, and there are references to different units (BG and EE) that may affect the interpretation of the problems.

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Need help with thermodynamics!

im studying building systems engineering technology. yeh i know it's only a technology program at the cegep level but when I'm done with it, I'm going to do software engineering in university. anyways I'm having trouble to understand two problems in the book. if anyone can help me with this, it would be greatly appreciated.

1) Determine the gage pressure if the atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psia, the gas constant is 96 ft-lb/lb R, and the specific volume is 10 ft^3/lbm.
The answer is 31.9 psig

2) 70 lbs mass of gas are contained in a rigid container at 200 psia and 80 F. The gas is then expanded to fill a 2000 ft^3 volume at a pressure pf 20 psia and a temperature of 70 F. Determine the volume of the rigid container.
The answer is 203.7 ft^3.

Can someone show me the steps on how they got the answer because i already know the answer. i just need help on how to solve the problem.

for the first question, the formula is pv = mrt. we'll i know right away to find P = mRT. i would multiply 96ft-lb*700 * R (I don't know how to get that)/ Volume (I also don't know how to get that but i know it's something to do with the specific volume of 10 ft^3)

for the second question, i multiplied (70)(80)/200. and from there I'm lost and don't know what to do.
 
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For #1, what's the definition of specific volume...?
For #2, you were taught another version of the ideal gas equation for dealing with that situation - find it in your notes/book. Hint: pv/mrt=constant.

Btw, we have a homework section...
 
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For #1, what's the definition of specific volume...?
For #2, you were taught another version of the ideal gas equation for dealing with that situation - find it in your notes/book. Hint: pv/mrt=constant.

Btw, we have a homework section...

specific volume is the volume per unit mass. (ft^3/slug)
for number 1ok i think when it says the specific volume is 10 ft^3/lbm, i did 1/(10ft^3/lbm) to get the density.
then i mutiplied (0.1)(96)(700) = 6720. but the answer is 31.9 psig so i know I'm really off even though i didn't even finished my answer.
 
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As russ_watters pointed out, there is another variation of the ideal gas law. The one you posted PV = mRT is one variation, and you can rewrite the equation to solve this problem. It should also be in your textbook.

Look at the units that you have. You are given ft and the answer is in psig which is pounds per square inch gage. Also they are asking for the gage pressure, not absolute and you don't need to find density.

Also yes specific volume is the volume per unit mass. (ft^3/slug) in BG units. But the question is in EE units.
 

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