How Do You Calculate the Angle in a Spinning Mass Problem?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the angle between a string and the vertical for a mass of 7.10 kg revolving in a horizontal circle with a tangential speed of 2.90 m/s, suspended from a 1.21 m long string. The derived equation for this problem is gL/v² - gL/v² cos²(θ) - cos(θ) = 0, which can be solved using the quadratic formula. Participants emphasize the importance of drawing free body diagrams (FBD) to analyze forces in both the x and y directions, leading to the equations T_y - mg = 0 and T sin(θ) = mv²/r. The final quadratic equation simplifies to -1.41x² - x + 1.41 = 0.

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Spinning mass

Homework Statement


1) A mass of 7.10 kg is suspended from a 1.21 m long string. It revolves in a horizontal circle as shown in the figure. The tangential speed of the mass is 2.90 m/s. Calculate the angle between the string and the vertical.

Picture 1) http://psblnx03.bd.psu.edu/res/msu/...Force_Motion_Adv/graphics/prob03_pendulum.gif

The Attempt at a Solution



For 1) I have the equation down to:

\frac{gL}{v^2} - \frac{gL}{v^2}cos^2 \theta - cos \theta = 0 How would I put this into the quadratic formula? (L = length of string)
 
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You should show what you did. For both of them you just need to draw an fbd and find the net force.
 
Jebus_Chris said:
You should show what you did. For both of them you just need to draw an fbd and find the net force.

I have shown what I did? If I were to show everything that would be a hell of a lot of typing. I've already done FBD, all I need is what has been asked.

Problem 1:

T_y - mg = 0 X-Direction: T sin \theta = \frac{mv^2}{r}

T cos\theta = mg X-Direction: T sin \theta = \frac{mv^2}{Lsin \theta}

T = \frac{mg}{cos \theta} X-Direction: T = \frac{mv^2}{Lsin^2 \theta}

\frac{mg}{cos \theta} = \frac {mv^2}{Lsin^2 \theta}

mgL sin^2 \theta = mv^2 cos \theta

gL(1-cos^2 \theta) = v^2 cos \theta Thus:

<br /> \frac{gL}{v^2} - \frac{gL}{v^2}cos^2 \theta - cos\theta = 0 <br />
 
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I have no idea what you did for (1). What were you x and y equations for force?
 
Jebus_Chris said:
I have no idea what you did for (1). What were you x and y equations for force?

I edited above for #1. The x-direction is on the right side, y on the left.
 
Alright, when I did it I had the radius as L >>
In your final equation just set cos\theta = x.
 
I did that but wouldn't you get something like

\frac{1 \pm \sqrt{1^2 - 4(1.41)(1.41)} }{2(1.41)}

Which would simplify to:

\frac{1 \pm \sqrt {-6.9524}}{2.82}

?

Edit: For reference the equation would be 1.41x^2 - x + 1.41 Edited out 2nd question.
 
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<br /> <br /> \frac{gL}{v^2} - \frac{gL}{v^2}cos^2 \theta - cos\theta = 0 <br /> <br />
So the quadratic equation would be
<br /> -1.41x^2 - x + 1.41 <br />
You had a positive when it is actually negative.
 

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