How Do You Prove the Area of an Ellipse Formula?

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The discussion revolves around proving the area of an ellipse defined by the equation \(\frac{x^2}{a^2} + \frac{y^2}{b^2} = 1\), specifically aiming to derive the formula \(A=\pi ab\).

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss various integration techniques to find the area under the curve, including substitution methods and the use of trigonometric identities. There are attempts to set up integrals and evaluate them, with some questioning the correctness of their approaches and the use of integral tables.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing hints and suggestions for alternative methods, such as using symmetry and trigonometric substitution. Some participants express confusion about their calculations and seek clarification on specific integration rules.

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There is mention of constraints related to the participants' current knowledge of calculus, particularly regarding trigonometric substitution, which has not yet been covered in their studies.

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Homework Statement


Prove that the area of an ellipse with equation

\frac{x^2}{a^2} + \frac{y^2}{b^2} = 1

is A=\pi ab.


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The Attempt at a Solution


I solved for y, set up the integral for area with lower limit -a and upper limit a, did u substitution, factored out constants, used an integration table and have arrived at:

\frac{-2b}{a}\frac{1}{a}\ln{\frac{a + x}{\sqrt{a^2 - x^2}}

from -a to a but substituting either gives an undefined quantity inside the natural log
 
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EE, your LaTeX is terrible :-p I've cleaned it up for you.

EstimatedEyes said:
\frac{-2b}{a}\frac{1}{a}\ln{\frac{a + x}{\sqrt{a^2 - x^2}}

That's wrong. There should be no logarithm in the antiderivative. You'll have to show your work in order for me to spot the wrong turn.
 
y=\frac{b}{a}\sqrt{a^2 - x^2} y=\frac{-b}{a}\sqrt{a^2 - x^2}
1st one it the top curve, 2nd one is bottom
They intersect at (-a,0) and (a,0)
Therefore \int{\frac{2b}{a}\sqrt{a^2 - x^2} from -a to a
So \frac{2b}{a}\int\sqrt{a^2 - x^2} from -a to a
Let \sqrt{a^2 - x^2} = u
u^2 = a^2 - x^2
2u\frac{du}{dx} = -2x
dx = \frac{-u}{x}du
x = \sqrt{a^2 - u^2}
Substitute: \frac{2b}{a}\int{u\frac{-u}{\sqrt{a^2 - u^2}}}
\frac{-2b}{a}\int{\frac{u^2}{\sqrt{a^2 - u^2}}}
 
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You need a trig substitution to do that integral. Try x=a*sin(u).
 
Ok, I copied the wrong Integral from the table. With the correct one, I've arrived at:

\frac{b}{a} [x\sqrt{a^2 - x^2} + a^2\arcsin{\frac{\sqrt{a^2 - x^2}}{a}}]

Again with the lower limit of -a and upper limit of a but I believe this yields zero, as \arcsin{0}=0 and \sqrt{0}=0 as well.
 
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You can make your integral a little simpler by exploiting the symmetry of this ellipse. The area of the entire ellipse is four times the area within the first quadrant.
 
EstimatedEyes said:
Ok, I copied the wrong Integral from the table. With the correct one, I've arrived at:

\frac{b}{a} [x\sqrt{a^2 - x^2} + a^2\arcsin{\frac{\sqrt{a^2 - x^2}}{a}}]

Again with the lower limit of -a and upper limit of a but I believe this yields zero, as \arcsin{0}=0 and \sqrt{0}=0 as well.

That's what comes of copying stuff from tables. My suggested substitution was x=a*sin(u). That means u=arcsin(x/a). How does that turn into arcsin(sqrt(a^2-x^2)/a)? I really think you should work this problem out for yourself. You KNOW the answer isn't zero, right?
 
I don't see where I've gone wrong up to getting:

\frac{-2b}{a}\int{\frac{u^2}{\sqrt{a^2 - u^2}}}

And unless my calculus book has an incorrect integral in it:

\int{\frac{u^2}{\sqrt{a^2 - u^2}}} = \frac{1}{2}(-u\sqrt{a^2 - u^2} + a^2\arcsin{\frac{u}{a}})

Can you give me a little hint as to WHY one can use that substitution? I tried to set up a right triangle and can get that x=a\arcsin{\frac{u}{a}} which yields u=a\arcsin{\frac{x}{a}}. Is there an identity involved. You don't have to tell me which one.
 
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The problem is that your substitution u=sqrt(a^2-x^2) isn't a one-to-one correspondence between x and u. Since x=a and x=-a both correspond to u=0. That means you need to be a little careful. But they are one-to-one for x between 0 and a. Just evaluate the antiderivative between u=0 and u=a and double it to account for the x negative part, like Mark suggested. Or do the original integral using the substitution x=a*sin(u), dx=a*cos(u). You wind up having to figure out the integral of cos(u)^2*du. But that's just a double angle formula.
 
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EstimatedEyes said:
I don't see where I've gone wrong up to getting:

\frac{-2b}{a}\int{\frac{u^2}{\sqrt{a^2 - u^2}}}

And unless my calculus book has an incorrect integral in it:

\int{\frac{u^2}{\sqrt{a^2 - u^2}}} = \frac{1}{2}(-u\sqrt{a^2 - u^2} + a^2\arcsin{\frac{u}{a}})

Can you give me a little hint as to WHY one can use that substitution? I tried to set up a right triangle and can get that x=a\arcsin{\frac{u}{a}} which yields u=a\arcsin{\frac{x}{a}}. Is there an identity involved. You don't have to tell me which one.

Doesn't your integral table have an entry for sqrt(a^2-x^2)*dx?? That's the integral we are really trying to do, right? If I put x=a*sin(u), dx=a*cos(u)*du, I get a*sqrt(1-sin(u)^2)*a*cos(u)*du. 1-sin(u)^2=cos(u)^2. So now we've got integral a^2*cos(u)^2*du.
Now use the double angle formula cos(u)^2=(1+cos(2u))/2.
 
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Thank you Dick! I just realized that I didn't understand your first suggestion because we have yet to cover trig substitution. One more question: Is that integration rule easily provable? I don't want it to look like I was lazy but I could think of no way to do it with the knowledge I have now. Thanks again!
 
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EstimatedEyes said:
Thank you Dick! I just realized that I didn't understand your first suggestion because we have yet to cover trig substitution. One more question: Is that integration rule easily provable? I don't want it to look like I was lazy but I could think of no way to do it with the knowledge I have now. Thanks again!

Which integration rule?
 
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\int{\frac{u^2}{\sqrt{a^2 - u^2}}}
 
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It's another trig substitution. Which you haven't covered yet. Same idea as sqrt(a^2-u^2). Substitute u=a*sin(t).
 

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