How Does a Cricket Bat Affect the Force on a Ball?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the forces exerted by a cricket bat on a ball during contact. The original poster presents a scenario where a cricket ball is bowled at a specific speed, and they seek to calculate the average force exerted by the bat on the ball during a brief contact time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the formula for force using mass and change in velocity over time. They express concern about the implications of the ball bouncing off the bat and whether this should be accounted for in their calculations. Other participants suggest considering the concept of impulse and the change in momentum as a means to verify the original poster's reasoning.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the assumptions made about the ball's behavior upon contact with the bat. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of impulse and momentum, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the original poster's calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted uncertainty regarding the speed of the ball after it contacts the bat, which affects the calculation of force. The original poster also questions the necessity of additional information, such as the weight of the bat, given the stationary nature of the bat in this scenario.

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This is a research problem, these are the figures I have at the moment I don't believe I need anything else to solve this problem (maybe the weight of the bat? it's stationary rather than swinging so I don't think it matters).

A cricket ball weighing 0.159kg is bowled at 161.3km/h. Ignoring air resistance and the energy lost as the ball bounces off the pitch, work out the maximum average force that a cricket bat exerts on the ball if it is in contact with the bat for 1.5ms.

Homework Equations



f=ma

From what I can see I think I need to use the deceleration to 0m/s over 1.5ms in this equation so I'd use:

f=m(change in velocity/time)

The Attempt at a Solution



m = 0.159kg
change in velocity = 44.805m/s
time = 0.0015s

f= 0.159 ( 44.805 / 0.0015 )
f= 4749.33

My problem here is I'm concerned about the ball bouncing off the bat and how I might account for that in the problem (or if I need to?). Thank you ~
 
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The key is that you have computed the average force while the ball and bat are in contact.
 
Dr. Courtney said:
The key is that you have computed the average force while the ball and bat are in contact.
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Does that mean you believe I am correct in my working out?
 
Littlej4me said:
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Does that mean you believe I am correct in my working out?

Rather than tell students they are right or not, I prefer to give them ways to think about it and double check their own work.

You can also double check using the idea of impulse. The impulse on the ball (average force times duration) will be equal to ball's change in momentum.
 
Dr. Courtney said:
Rather than tell students they are right or not, I prefer to give them ways to think about it and double check their own work.

You can also double check using the idea of impulse. The impulse on the ball (average force times duration) will be equal to ball's change in momentum.

This is the information I have written down in order to explain my reasoning behind why I believe I am correct.

The momentum of a particle is the quantity mv.

Momentum is a vector.

F = ma = d(mv)/dt = dp/dt

The conservation of Momentum

m1u1 + m2u2 = m1v1 + m2v2

Impulse = Ft = Δp
= m.vf - m.vi

F = m(vf - vi)/t

Assuming all of this information is correct I believe that I am correct in my working out. However, as I am not a qualified physicist I prefer to ask the opinion or someone who is able to confirm the knowledge that I believe to be correct. I will not know if I understand the work fully if I do not know whether my working out is correct.
 
I think your initial assessment was correct. You don't know the speed of the ball coming off the bat. The assumption that you made was that the ball comes to a stop once it hits the bat. That's one extreme. The other extreme is where it has the same speed, but in the opposite direction. That would give you twice the force. Since you have no other information available, you can only conclude that it is somewhere in that range.

Chet
 
Littlej4me said:
f=ma

From what I can see I think I need to use the deceleration to 0m/s over 1.5ms in this equation
Is the deceleration to 0m/s the only thing that occurs in that 1.5ms?
 

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