How does a large-angle pendulum oscillate?

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The discussion revolves around the oscillation behavior of a large-angle pendulum, particularly contrasting it with small-angle approximations. Participants explore the nature of oscillations when the angle is not small, referencing concepts from classical mechanics and specific problems from Landau's mechanics book.

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  • One participant notes that while small oscillations of a simple pendulum are harmonic, large-angle oscillations are non-linear and the period depends on amplitude, as stated by Landau.
  • Another participant mentions that for small oscillations, the period does not depend on amplitude, but for larger oscillations, it does, except in the case of a cycloidal pendulum, where the period remains constant regardless of amplitude.
  • There is a reference to the total energy of the pendulum and a problem involving asymptotic formulas for the period of the trajectory at different energy levels.
  • Concerns are raised about the behavior of the pendulum at extreme angles, with one participant suggesting that at an angle of π, it might get stuck, while others propose that it will continue to oscillate or turn around.
  • Elliptic functions are mentioned as solutions to the problem of large-angle oscillations, with a suggestion that they are readily accessible through numerical methods.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of oscillations at large angles, with some agreeing that they are still oscillatory but not simple harmonic, while others highlight specific cases like the cycloidal pendulum. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact behavior and characteristics of large-angle oscillations.

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Participants reference specific assumptions about the pendulum's motion, such as the requirement for constraints in the case of the cycloidal pendulum, and the implications of energy conservation in the analysis of oscillations.

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So in high school i studied the small oscillation of a simple pendulum with no air resistance. It reaches harmonic oscillation when the angle is small enough, so it is an approximation right? But what happens if the angle isn't small, will it still oscillate and how? According to energy conservation, it is supposed to. I came across this problem in a Mechanics book from Landau, and the result of cycle is a function of the amplitude of the oscillations. My question is that if this is still considered as a form of oscillation, what type is it?
Here's the picture of the problem from the book.
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It is still considered an oscillaion as Landau states in his Problem statement. It is no longer considered simple harmonic oscillation. It is non-linear in nature. As the problem solution indicates the period takes longer than for simple harmonic motion.
 
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For small oscillations the period does not depend on the amplitude;
for non small oscillations it does
for the cycloidal pendulum the period does not depend on the amplitude even for non small oscillations
 
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wrobel said:
for the cycloidal pendulum the period does not depend on the amplitude even for non small oscillations
What @wrobel says is true regarding the cycloidal pendulum, but it requires a pair of shoulders to constrain the motion.
 
There is an interesting problem. The total energy of the pendulum is
$$H=\frac{1}{2}\dot\varphi^2-k\cos\varphi,\quad k>0.$$
Let ##\tau(h)## be a period of the trajectory on the energy level ##H=h##.
Find an asymptotic formula
$$\tau(h)\sim \,?\quad\mbox{as}\quad 1)\,h\to k+,\quad 2) \,h\to k-$$
 
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Peter Jones said:
But what happens if the angle isn't small, will it still oscillate and how?
If the deflection angle is π it might get stuck, but otherwise it will oscillate.
 
Or it turns around. The solution are of course elliptic functions. There's a plethora of all kinds of approximations for such problems in the literature. Nowadays, I think it's no problem to just use elliptic functions, because they are as easily available via numerics as are the socalled "elementary functions".
 

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