How does friction affect data in a modified Atwood machine?

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The discussion revolves around a modified Atwood machine setup, involving a vertical mass hanger and a horizontal cart. The participants explore the effects of changing mass on the system's acceleration and the impact of friction on data accuracy during experiments.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between mass changes and acceleration, questioning whether doubling the mass on the hanger would double the acceleration. They also examine how friction from a rubbing wheel could affect experimental data and conclusions drawn from it.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning. Some have identified errors in calculations and are clarifying their understanding of the system's dynamics. There is acknowledgment of the potential impact of friction on data interpretation.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the depth of exploration and the information available for discussion.

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Homework Statement



I have a modified atwood machine which is made up of a vertical mass hanger (hanging over the side of a table) connected to a horizontal cart (on the table) via a rope (un-stretchable) and a pulley (massless, frictionless, etc). The cart wheels have negligible friction. There are four equal masses stacked on the cart, each weighing 1.0kg. The mass hanger has a mass of 2.0 kg. The questions are:

(a) if I were to double the mass on the vertical hanger, without changing the mass of the entire system, would the acceleration double?

(b) how would the data be affected if the frame of the cart were bent so that one of the wheels were rubbing



Homework Equations



F_{net}=ma



The Attempt at a Solution



(a) After drawing free-body diagrams for both the cart and the mass hanger, I used F=ma to derive the following equation for the acceleration:

a=\frac{m}{M+m}*g

where "M" = the mass of the cart/weights on top and "m" is the mass of the vertical hanger and any weights it may contain

After plugging a few values in this formula, it appears that the acceleration will double if I double the mass on the hanger without changing the mass of the system.

Did I get the formula right?

(b)

If one of the wheels were rubbing on the cart, that would skew the position-time data for the experiment. It would look like there was a greater amount of mass on the cart that what was there in reality. This would make your acceleration appear slower than it actually was. Also, if you didn't realize that the wheel was rubbing, you wouldn't include the friction force on the free-body diagram; therefore, your skewed data could induce the erroneous conclusion that F_{net}\neq ma.

Is my reasoning correct? Did I miss anything?

Thanks
 
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You wrote,

"(a) if I were to double the mass on the vertical hanger, without changing the mass of the entire system, would the acceleration double?"

Check your math, I got different results.
 
I see where I made the mistake now, I was making the denominator the entire mass of the system instead of adding the vertical mass to the entire system mass. The acceleration will increase, but not double.

Did part b look ok?

Thanks
 
Part b looked right to me.
 
Thanks for your help.
 

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