How does ladder operation in an anharmonic oscillator lead to a value of 3?

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The discussion centers on the calculation of the expectation value <0|a_(a+a_ + a_a+)a+|0> in an anharmonic oscillator, which leads to the result of 3. Participants clarify the steps involved in simplifying the expression, particularly focusing on how the creation and annihilation operators interact with the ground state. It is emphasized that terms with unequal numbers of creation and annihilation operators yield zero, as they change the state. The conversation highlights the importance of methodically applying operator rules to derive the final result. Understanding these operator interactions is crucial for grasping the behavior of anharmonic oscillators.
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I wonder how <0|a_(a+a_ + a_a+)a+|0> = <0|(a_a+ + 2a_a+)|0> = 3??. Here <0| is the (unperturbed) ground state level of an anharmonic oscillator and a+ is the creation operator and a_ is the annihilation operator.

I would get from <0|a_(a+a_ + a_a+)a+|0> that this becomes:
<0|a_a+a_a+ + (a_)^2(a+)^2|0> or
<0|a_a+a_a+ + (a_)(a_)(a+)(a+)|0>.

How in the world could this equal to <0|(a_a+ + 2a_a+)|0> = 3

could anyone give a qualitative reason for this?

kind regards
 
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Hi rubertoda.

Consider a_a_a+a+|0>. Just go step by step letting the operators operate consecutively starting with the operator on the far right. So, the first thing to do is to see what a+|0> yields.
 
ok, no, i wrote wrong. I meant <0|(a_a+a_a+ + (a_)(a_)(a+)(a+))|0> with paranthesis around everything...thx
 
rubertoda said:
ok, no, i wrote wrong. I meant <0|(a_a+a_a+ + (a_)(a_)(a+)(a+))|0> with paranthesis around everything...thx

OK. I was just considering simplifying the second term. Note that you could write <0|(a_a+a_a+ + (a_)(a_)(a+)(a+))|0> = <0|a_a+a_a+|0> + <0|(a_)(a_)(a+)(a+)|0>. So, I was trying to have you think about how the second term <0|(a_)(a_)(a+)(a+)|0> simplifies. But, if you prefer, start with the first term <0|a_a+a_a+|0>.
 
ok, thx. i will do. and one last question. is it true that every term where the number of a_'s and a+'s aren't equal, i. e for example <0|x_x_x+|0> become 0, because it changes the state?
 
rubertoda said:
ok, thx. i will do. and one last question. is it true that every term where the number of a_'s and a+'s aren't equal, i. e for example <0|x_x_x+|0> become 0, because it changes the state?

Yes, that's right.
 
ok thanks a lot
 
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