How Does Rolling Resistance Affect Torque in a Sealpress Mechanism?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the torque required to rotate a steel roller in a sealpress mechanism, emphasizing the role of rolling resistance. The user initially finds that changing the roller's radius does not affect torque, leading to confusion. Participants clarify that while torque remains constant, a larger roller will require fewer revolutions for the same distance, thus consuming less power. The width of the roller introduces additional complexity, as it increases the normal force needed to achieve the same deformation in the rubber seal. Elasticity calculations are suggested to determine the relationship between force and deformation, with recommendations for using finite element analysis for accuracy.
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hi ,

I am going to design sealpress mechanism for rotary system . I need to find out how much torque required to rotate my steel roller which is connected to end of my cylinder. from wikipedia i find out rolling resistance =


The force of rolling resistance, not adjusted for velocity, can be calculated by[3]:
F = Crr x Nf

where

F is the rolling resistance force (shown in figure 1),
Crr is the dimensionless rolling resistance coefficient or coefficient of rolling friction (CRF), and
Nf is the normal force (equal to W shown in figure 1, not just N shown in figure 1).
The coefficient of rolling friction for a slow rigid wheel, not adjusted for velocity, can be calculated by[1][2]

Crr = Sqr of z/d
where

z is the sinkage depth
d is the diameter of the rigid wheel
The force of rolling resistance can also be calculated by[1]:

F= Nf Xb/r

where

F is the rolling resistance force (shown in figure 1),
r is the wheel radius,
b is the rolling resistance coefficient or coefficient of rolling friction with dimension of length, and
Nf is the normal force (equal to W shown in figure 1, not just N shown in figure 1).

In my case I have steel roller and i am going to press buna(rubber) seal by roller .

So if i assume b = 0.4 inch , r = 1.75 , nf =500 pound

F = Nf x b /r = 500x 0.4 / 1.75 = 114.28 pound
so torque = force x radius = 114.28 x 1.75 = 199.99 inch-lb

If i change the radius of roller r = 2.25

F = Nf x b / r = 500x 0.4 / 2.25 = 88.88 pound

Torque = 88.88 x 2.25 = 199.99 inch -lb

so i got same torque that means radius of roller doesn't effect of torque . i am confused about that so please give me some right direction .

Thanks.
 
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ram18 said:
hi ,
so i got same torque that means radius of roller doesn't effect of torque . i am confused about that so please give me some right direction

Kind of makes sense that it wouldn't affect torque. But don't forget that a larger roller will need fewer revs to cover the same distance, so it'll use less power at the same sealing speed. I assume you have a motor driving the roller's axle and not just pushing it by the cylinder.
 
yes i put motor to roller's axle.
 
hey my roller width is 18 inch so how can i use that in my equation . i think i need more torque becoz of that can anyone help me on that.
 
ram18 said:
hey my roller width is 18 inch so how can i use that in my equation . i think i need more torque becoz of that can anyone help me on that.

The same equations should still give you the torque. But the normal force would be higher with a wider roller to achieve the same deformation depth. You'd have to do an elasticity calculation to work out how much normal force is required.
 
thanks unrest . which elasticity calculation work here ?
 
ram18 said:
thanks unrest . which elasticity calculation work here ?

Yea somewhere you'll have to work out the relationship between force and deformation. It'll be tricky to do it very accurately because of the non-linear elasticity of rubber.

I'd start by treating the material as a rectangular block with about the area of the projected area of the roller. Have it compressed uniformly into a thinner rectangular block. Then you can just use pressure=stress=elastic modulus * strain.

To do it properly and account for the curved shape you'd probably need to do a non-linear (because it's rubber and because you don't know the area in contact with the roller) finite element analysis.

I guess there are probably books of data and approximate formulas for this type of problem tho, because it must be a very common one.
 
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