How does the mass of a ball affect the % of energy loss

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The discussion revolves around how the mass of a ball influences the percentage of energy loss during bouncing. The subject area includes concepts of energy conservation, elasticity, and the physics of bouncing objects.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to reason that mass does not affect energy loss due to the same material properties, while others question this assumption and explore the relationship between mass and energy loss through various scenarios and explanations.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of how mass might or might not affect energy loss. Some have provided reasoning and examples to illustrate their points, while others express uncertainty about the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of constraints regarding the use of certain equations, such as the coefficient of restitution, which have not been covered in class. Additionally, the original poster notes a lack of correlation observed in their experimental results.

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Homework Statement


I am wondering how the mass of a ball affects the percentage of energy loss when the ball bounces.

Homework Equations


Ep=mgh
eff=eout/ein x 100%

The Attempt at a Solution


1)I don't think it affects them because if the ball is heavier but still made of the same material it has the same elasticity and density only mass has changed. But if all of the starting Ep goes to Ek then it should have generally the same efficiency. If this is correct please tell me why its correct and if its wrong then explain it. Thanks in advance. Cheers
 
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Are you familiar with coefficient of restitution? If so, write down the equation for rebound velocity.
 
No, we haven't learned that in class so we wouldn't be allowed to use it as a reason on a test or lab. I am just trying to think of a reasonable explanation as to why. I did the experiment but there didn't seem to be correlation between the two variables.
 
Basically what I'm asking is why doesn't mass affect energy loss
 
Drake M said:
Basically what I'm asking is why doesn't mass affect energy loss
There is no lay-down reason. It comes out of the physics behind bouncing, as is described by the equation involving coefficient of restitution. I can offer an explanation of why it might not affect the percentage lost. Doubling the mass doubles the energy invested. If it also doubles the energy lost then the percentage doesn't change. Does it seem reasonable that doubling the energy in doubles the loss?

On the other hand, I can conceive of a physical behaviour in which the mass does affect the percentage loss. Imagine dropping an assembly consisting of a small mass stuck on top of an egg stuck on top of a rubber pad, just a short distance. If the mass is small enough the egg stays intact and you get a decent bounce. With a heavier mass the egg cracks and the bounce is less. You could also imagine an analogous behaviour at the nanoscale within a material.
 
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