How High Will the Toboggan Go on a Frictionless Hill?

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The problem involves determining the maximum height a toboggan will reach on a frictionless hill, given its initial speed and the angle of the hill. The subject area pertains to mechanics, specifically energy conservation and kinematics.

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  • Participants discuss various methods to calculate the height, including a specific equation provided by the original poster and the conservation of energy principle. Some participants question the validity of the original equation and suggest re-evaluating the velocity component used in the calculations.

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The discussion includes differing opinions on the approach to the problem, with some participants agreeing on the original poster's calculations while others propose alternative methods. There is no explicit consensus, but productive dialogue is occurring regarding the application of energy conservation.

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Participants note potential mistakes in the original calculations and the need to reconsider assumptions about velocity direction and components. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the problem without reaching a definitive solution.

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Homework Statement


At the base of a frictionless icy hill that rises at 28.0 degrees above the horizontal, a toboggan has a speed of 12.0m/s toward the hill. How high vertically above the base will it go before stopping?


Homework Equations


height = [(v*sin (angle))^2] / (2g)


The Attempt at a Solution


height = [(v*sin (angle))^2] / (2g)
height = [(12m/s*sin(28degrees))^2] / (2(9.8m/s^2))
height = 31.74m^2/s^2 / 19.6m/s^2
height = approx 1.62m

I think I made a mistake with the velocity because this answer is incorrect. Can someone help me please and thank you.
 
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I don't see any problem with that. I get the same thing.
 
I would do this problem with a more general equation like the conservation of energy (KE + PE = Etotal). It looks like the equation you gave was something that you didn't derive yourself and was specific to another situation. If you did derive this equation, rethink the velocity.
 
No, I disagree with his current answer. Dick, when using the conservation of energy, it doesn't matter which direction v is in. So there's no need to find a specific component of v.
 
In that case...

height = (v^2) / (2g)
height = (12m/s)^2 / (2*9.8m/s^2)
height = 144m^2/s^2 / 19.6m/s^2
height = 7.35m

or if I used energy...

KE=GPE
0.5mv^2 = mgh
0.5v^2 = gh (mass drops out)
0.5*(12m/s)^2 = h*9.8m/s^2
72m^2/s^2 = h*9.8m/s^2
(72m^2/s^2) / (9.8m/s^2) = 7.35m

This answer worked. Thanks Anadyne. Can't get em all Dick ;p
 
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Anadyne said:
No, I disagree with his current answer. Dick, when using the conservation of energy, it doesn't matter which direction v is in. So there's no need to find a specific component of v.

Ooops. Sorry. Guess it's time to lay off the problem solving for tonite. Thanks for the correction.
 

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