How Is the Third Piece's Velocity Determined After a Grenade Explosion?

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The problem involves a grenade explosion resulting in three pieces, with specific masses and velocities given for two of the pieces. The objective is to determine the speed and direction of the third piece using principles of momentum conservation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss using momentum conservation equations for both the x and y components to find the unknowns. There is consideration of drawing diagrams to visualize the problem, and some participants suggest using the cosine and sine laws to solve for the angles and magnitude of the third piece's velocity.

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Several approaches are being explored, including setting up equations based on momentum conservation and considering geometric methods for solving the problem. Participants are questioning which angles to use in their calculations and whether a single triangle can be utilized effectively. No explicit consensus has been reached on the best method to proceed.

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The original poster mentions an upcoming exam, indicating a time constraint. There is also uncertainty regarding the direction of the third piece, particularly in relation to the negative velocity calculated.

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Homework Statement



A grenade of mass 1.2 kg is at rest on a smooth frictionless surface when it suddenly explodes into three pieces. A 0.5 kg piece flies off horizontally to the north at 3.0 m/s, a 0.3 kg piece flies off horizontally to the southwest at 4.0 m/s. What is the speed and direction of the third piece?

Homework Equations



P=mv P123=P1+P2+P3 Cosine Law

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Well, I know the mass and velocity of the first two pieces. I know the mass of the third piece due to the remaining mass from the total and it comes up to 0.4 kg. I know the momentum of the first two pieces. I know I have to draw a diagram and find the momentum of the unknown side, which would be P1+P2. Then, I can solve for v3 by dividing m3 from P1+P2. The problem, however is the direction. Since the second piece flies southwest, I'm assuming the angle is 45 degrees. That leaves me with two unknown angles. I can find this by using the Sine Law, but I don't know which angle to use.

This is where I need help, what is the direction of the third piece? Could someone please show me the diagram and which angle would be it for the third piece. Just as a side note, the velocity of the third piece comes up to a negative number, so does that mean that the direction will be switched? Thank you very much for the help. This is for my exam that's tomorrow.
 
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The momentum before the explosion is zero - in the east/west direction AND in the north/south direction. Make two headings for the two directions and then write
0 = p1 + p2 + p3 for each. Put in the known quantities, using 4*cos(45) for the east/west part of the velocity of the 2nd piece. I expect you will have two equations with two unknowns - the speed and angle of the 3rd piece. Solve the system of equations to find them.
 
Hmmm... Is there a way to solve it by drawing a single triangle? Then I could use the cosine law to find the one side and the sine law from thereon to find the angle of the direction I need. This is how we've done it thus far in class. It's just that I don't know which of the two blank angles is the directional angle. I could use sine law to find either one, just don't know which one.

Thanks.
 
It's much easier to just sum the X-components and Y-components as already suggested.

You end with the numerical values of the x,y of the third piece directly. Then combine them for the |magnitude| and use the tan-1 to get the angle directly.
 

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