How many galaxies do we have red shift data for?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the number of galaxies for which redshift data is available, exploring both spectroscopic and photometric redshifts. Participants reference various surveys and estimates related to the total number of galaxies in the universe.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that millions of galaxies have spectroscopic redshift data, while hundreds of millions may have photometric redshift data.
  • References are made to the Sloan Digital Sky Survey as a significant contributor to the data available.
  • Estimates of the total number of galaxies in the universe are discussed, with figures such as 2,000 billion galaxies mentioned.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the completeness of current observations, suggesting that many galaxies may remain unobserved.
  • There are discussions about the implications of the universe's homogeneity based on observations, with some arguing that significant differences in the cosmic microwave background (CMB) do not contradict this homogeneity.
  • Concerns are raised about the likelihood of detecting extra-galactic civilizations, with some arguing that the chances are extremely low.
  • Participants discuss the limitations of telescopes and the implications for observing rare phenomena across galaxies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the implications of the data and the completeness of observations. While there is some consensus on the vast number of galaxies and the data available, the discussions about the universe's homogeneity and the detection of civilizations remain contested.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the current understanding of galaxy distributions and the potential for undiscovered phenomena, emphasizing the dependence on observational data and the challenges posed by telescope capabilities.

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Im wondering does anyone know roughly how many galaxies we have red shift data for, just a ball park. Is it hundreds? thousands? millions?
 
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windy miller said:
Im wondering does anyone know roughly how many galaxies we have red shift data for, just a ball park. Is it hundreds? thousands? millions?
For spectroscopic redshifts, the answer is millions. For photometric redshifts (which are quicker but less accurate), hundreds of millions. The Sloan Digital Sky Survey is one of the largest surveys, and it alone measured numbers in this range, but there have been other surveys:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloan_Digital_Sky_Survey
 
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thanks for that , very helpful
 
TEFLing said:
https://www.universetoday.com/30305/how-many-galaxies-in-the-universe/

estimated 2,000 billion galaxies in the known Universe

200 billion would be observable

0.5 billion have been catalogued by SDSS ?
0.003 billion have scrutinized spectra ?
Yup. It's a really, really big universe and it takes a lot of telescope time to image far-away galaxies in depth.
 
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kimbyd said:
Yup. It's a really, really big universe and it takes a lot of telescope time to image far-away galaxies in depth.
I understand our current map of the universe is somewhat like a "Lindisfarne map" of the heavens

Lots could be "lurking out there between the lines" and we would as yet have very scant knowledge
 
TEFLing said:
I understand our current map of the universe is somewhat like a "Lindisfarne map" of the heavens

Lots could be "lurking out there between the lines" and we would as yet have very scant knowledge
It's possible, but unlikely. Enough observations have been made to demonstrate that the universe is highly homogeneous on large scales. The CMB observations alone are very strong evidence of that.
 
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@TEFLing you didn't violate the rules against speculation, but you did violate the rules against shouting, which is why your post got deleted. There's no need to shout.

Also, the question of what might be lurking in the data we do not have is not on topic here, since the OP's question was only about how many galaxies are included in the data we do have.
 
kimbyd said:
It's possible, but unlikely. Enough observations have been made to demonstrate that the universe is highly homogeneous on large scales. The CMB observations alone are very strong evidence of that.
Yes, homogeneous, and there could hypothetically be technosignatures homogeneously distributed across the sky and we would only have a 0.003/2000 chance of noticing

I need a reminder on how to format text so as not to have to use all caps for emphasis?
 
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TEFLing said:
I need a reminder on how to format text so as not to have to use all caps for emphasis?
In the Edit window (or Reply or whatever), at the left of the top toolbar there is a bold B. Highlight the text you want to Bold and click that B. You can do the same thing for Bold and Underline. It's best to only bold a word or two for emphasis, though. Lots of bolding or large fonts is usually distracting (at least in the technical forums). :smile:
 
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PeterDonis said:
@TEFLing you didn't violate the rules against speculation, but you did violate the rules against shouting, which is why your post got deleted. There's no need to shout.

Also, the question of what might be lurking in the data we do not have is not on topic here, since the OP's question was only about how many galaxies are included in the data we do have.
Found the Latex / Bbcode guides link, will use text formatting instead of all caps for emphasis, to be easier to read :)
 
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TEFLing said:
Yes, homogeneous, and there could hypothetically be technosignatures homogeneously distributed across the sky and we would only have a 0.003/2000 chance of noticing
The problem with that analysis is that it's extraordinarily unlikely that we could ever detect an extra-galactic civilization. Our chances of detecting another civilization are pretty limited to a quite small fraction of our own galaxy close to us.
 
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kimbyd said:
The problem with that analysis is that it's extraordinarily unlikely that we could ever detect an extra-galactic civilization. Our chances of detecting another civilization are pretty limited to a quite small fraction of our own galaxy close to us.
frighteningly true
 
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kimbyd said:
It's possible, but unlikely. Enough observations have been made to demonstrate that the universe is highly homogeneous on large scales. The CMB observations alone are very strong evidence of that.
I'm sure I listened to an interview with George Efstathiou where he admitted that the Planck data suggested significant differences in the CMB on each side of the map. It was 5 years ago though.
 
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The chance to miss something that happens in 0.1% of all galaxies, if you observe 1 million randomly picked galaxies, is 3*10-435.

We miss a lot due to the limits of our telescopes. But to miss something obvious just from our limited number of observations it has to be extremely rare.
 
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Lindsayforbes said:
I'm sure I listened to an interview with George Efstathiou where he admitted that the Planck data suggested significant differences in the CMB on each side of the map. It was 5 years ago though.
This is true insofar as these 'significant differences' are observable. They are not an indication that the universe is not highly homogeneous on large scales. Quite the opposite, in fact. The small magnitude of these anisotropies is what let's one say that the homogeneity is high.
Furthermore, this particular anisotropy, the dipole* anisotropy, is expected, and fully accounted for by the relative motion of our vantage point w/r to the rest frame of the gas that emitted the CMB. Meaning, this is not even an indication of physical inhomogeneities in the distribution of matter in the universe, but an artefact of our reference frame.
The smaller-scale anisotropies (BAOs) do indicate differences in distribution of matter - but we did know that already without having to look at CMB, since there are both galaxies and the roughly empty space in-between them.
There's more about those in here:
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CMB-DT.html

*I don't know what lecture or talk you had watched, but it's a pretty safe bet that this is what was discussed
 
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