How steep is the hill at a point 1 mile north?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining characteristics of a hill defined by a height function h(x,y), where y represents distance north and x represents distance east. The specific questions focus on locating the top of the hill, calculating its height, and assessing the steepness at a point 1 mile north.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of partial derivatives to find critical points and the gradient for slope determination. There are questions about the correctness of coordinates derived from the equations and the implications of the coordinate system used.

Discussion Status

Some participants have pointed out potential errors in calculations regarding the coordinates of the hill's peak and the gradient components. There is ongoing verification of algebraic steps and consideration of the function's validity over specific intervals.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the coordinate definitions and their implications for the problem. There is also a suggestion that the function may not accurately represent the topography of the region, raising questions about its applicability.

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Homework Statement



the height of a certain hill is given by

h(x,y)=10(2xy-3x^2-4y^2-18x+28y+12)

wher y is the distance north and x is the distance east of south hadley

a)Where is the top of the hill

b) how high is the hill

c) how steep is the hill at a point 1 mile north

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



dh/dx=y-3x-9=0

dh/dy=x-4y+14=0

using linear system of algebra I find that my coordinates on top of the hill are

(x=-26,y=-3)

b) just plug in the coordinates you got in part a, into the h function; answer: h(x=-26,y=-3)

c) the slope would just be the gradient of h , which is: \nablah=(dh/dx)x-hat+(dh/dy)y-hat=-7x-hat+11y-hat

|\nablah|=sqrt(49+196)

direction is just: cos(theta)=\nablah dot dl/(
|\nablah||dl|), you take the inverse of cos(theta)
 
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In the problem it is given that the x is the distance east of south.
Will it make any difference on the co-ordinates of the tip of the hill?
 
noblegas said:
dh/dx=y-3x-9=0

dh/dy=x-4y+14=0

using linear system of algebra I find that my coordinates on top of the hill are

(x=-26,y=-3)

Your equations look correct, but your result (-26,-3) is not...check your algebra.

b) just plug in the coordinates you got in part a, into the h function; answer: h(x=-26,y=-3)

Right idea

c) the slope would just be the gradient of h , which is: \nablah=(dh/dx)x-hat+(dh/dy)y-hat=-7x-hat+11y-hat

Check your math on that again...you are missing a factor of 20(!) and your x-component is incorrect.
 
rl.bhat said:
In the problem it is given that the x is the distance east of south.
Will it make any difference on the co-ordinates of the tip of the hill?

No, "x is the distance East of South Hadley"...South Hadley being the name of a town :wink:
 
To be fair, this isn't a very good characterization of the topography of the region. =( On what interval is this function valid? I get the feeling they're aiming for Mount Holyoke, simply because it's close to where the peak of the function is, though.
 
gabbagabbahey said:
Check your math on that again...you are missing a factor of 20(!) and your x-component is incorrect.


I did check my math and I continue to come up with: \nablah=(y-3x-9)x-hat+(x-4*y+14)y-hat, with x=1,y=1
 
noblegas said:
I did check my math and I continue to come up with: \nablah=(y-3x-9)x-hat+(x-4*y+14)y-hat, with x=1,y=1

Look at your original expression for 'h'...you are missing the factor of 10 in front and also another factor of 2 that you seem to have divided by...in part (a) it didn't matter, because you were setting it equal to zero, but here it does matter.

Also, when you plug in (1,1) to your above expression you do not get (-7,11).
 

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