How to Combine Gradient Uncertainty with other Uncertainty?

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The discussion revolves around an experiment measuring the speed of sound using microphones and a hammer, focusing on how to calculate and combine various uncertainties, including gradient uncertainty and random uncertainties from measurements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss methods for incorporating uncertainties into data points and the implications for the gradient of a line of best fit. Questions arise about the correct approach to combine different types of uncertainties and how to apply them in Excel.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on combining uncertainties and using Excel for error bars. There is ongoing exploration of how to accurately determine the uncertainty of the gradient, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of using Excel for data analysis and are questioning the handling of correlated versus uncorrelated uncertainties. There is also mention of specific formulas for combining uncertainties that may need further clarification.

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Homework Statement


I did an experiment to measure the speed of sound(using two microphones and a hammer). I changed the distance between the two mics and calculated(using a fast timer) the time taken for the sound to reach from the start mic to the end mic. I made a graph(distance on x axis, time on y axis) on excel using my results and added a line of best fit. I need error bars and the uncertainty in the gradient. Also, I need to combine the uncertainty from the gradient with the random uncertainty, calibration and scale reading uncertainty(from meter stick). How can I do this?

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I know the formula for random uncertainty and the Pythagoras-like formula for combining uncertainties. I just don't know how to combine all of this with the gradient uncertainty.
 
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How can I do this?
In general: include uncorrelated uncertainties in the individual datapoints, make sure your fit takes those uncertainties into account (not sure if excel can do that). Correlated uncertainties need a different approach.
 
@mfb Thanks for the reply I did a little experimenting and I combined the random uncertainty for each of my times with the digital reading uncertainty(using ∆w^2 = ∆x^2 + ∆y^2 + ∆z^2, x = random uncertainty, y = scale/digital reading uncertainty, z= calibration uncertainty ) and also did the same with my distances. I then plotted these in my excel graph as a custom error bar for each of my points. Is this the correct way to go? How would I go about finding the uncertainty of the gradient now, with the vertical and horizontal error bars in my graph too?
 
Excel has a function for the uncertainty of parameters of linear functions, I don't know if you can also directly get them from a trend line, and I don't know if the uncertainties are taking into account properly (change them to see if the result changes).
 

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