How to Determine the Velocity of Block A with Pulley Masses Included?

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To determine the velocity of block A when pulley masses are included, it is essential to draw a free body diagram and account for the net forces acting on the masses and pulleys. The tensions in the rope will vary due to the pulleys' masses, requiring the application of net torque and angular acceleration principles. The relationship between angular and linear accelerations must be established using the rolling contact condition. While energy conservation is typically applicable, it may not hold if frictional torque is involved or if sufficient data is provided to analyze it. Understanding these dynamics is crucial for accurately calculating the velocity of block A.
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Homework Statement


Block A has a mass of 3 kg, and block B has a mass of 8 kg. Determine the speed of block A if it moves upwards 2 meters, starting from rest. I can solve the problem pretty easily if the mass and radius of each of the pulleys is neglected. However, if they are not neglected and let's say that the question provides a known mass and radius for each of the top and bottom pulleys, how would I still go about solving for the velocity of block A?

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Homework Equations


KE = (1/2)mv^2
g = 9.8 m/s^2

The Attempt at a Solution


Neglecting the mass/radius of the pulleys,

(1/2)mAvA^2 + (1/2)mB(2vB)^2 = mBg(4) - mAg(2)

=> 17.5vA^2 = (8x4 - 3x2)g
=> 17.5vA^2 = 26g
=> vA = 3.82 m/s

However, If the top pulley had a mass of say 0.50 kg with a radius of 0.10 m and the bottom pulley had a mass of say 0.40 kg with a radius of 0.5 m, how would I solve for the velocity of block A since now the tensions are all different?
 
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That_EDGEy_KiD said:
However, If the top pulley had a mass of say 0.50 kg with a radius of 0.10 m and the bottom pulley had a mass of say 0.40 kg with a radius of 0.5 m, how would I solve for the velocity of block A since now the tensions are all different?
start the attempt by drawing a free body diagram and write down the net force working on masses/pulleys- as bodies are connected displacements are related and with their proper sign and apply the time rate of change of displacements to get velocity and in turn accelerations.
pully with masses may not hold the energy conservation unless stated
 
That_EDGEy_KiD said:
if they are not neglected and let's say that the question provides a known mass and radius for each of the top and bottom pulleys, how would I still go about solving for the velocity of block A?
In that situation, you can no longer assume tension is constant along a rope. Allow for a different tension on each stretch and consider the net torque and resulting angular acceleration of each pulley. Relate these angular accelerations to the linear accelerations of the masses using the rolling contact condition.
 
drvrm said:
pully with masses may not hold the energy conservation unless stated
There's nothing special about pulleys with mass in that regard. It's just an extra place for kinetic energy to be accumulated. Typically in pulley questions, massless or otherwise, you can assume work conservation, and indeed need to to solve it. An exception is when frictional torque is mentioned, or when there is enough information to deduce the magnitude of frictional torque.
 
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