How to integral ? How can they ignore that variable?

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The discussion revolves around understanding integration in the context of a physics problem involving variables and constants. Participants are examining the treatment of a variable 'r' in different cases of integration, questioning how it can be ignored in one case while being treated as a variable in another.

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  • Participants express confusion about the treatment of the variable 'r' in the integration process, particularly in distinguishing between different cases. There are attempts to clarify whether 'r' can be considered constant and discussions about the implications of certain equations.

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I don't understand case 1. In case 2 that is normal integration , isn't?
Then why case 1 can simply ignore the r ? I don't think r is constant.


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Please guide. Thanks
 
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This way? No sure is that correct .
 

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It's upside-down now. You can edit your post and try uploading the attachment again.
 
Sorry, I don't really know how to use it.
 

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Outrageous said:

Homework Statement


I don't understand case 1. In case 2 that is normal integration , isn't?
Then why case 1 can simply ignore the r ? I don't think r is constant.

Are you talking about the equation$$
\frac m r \frac{d(r^2\dot \theta)}{dt}=0$$giving ##r^2\dot \theta=l##? If so, they didn't ignore the ##\frac m r##. They multiplied both sides by its reciprocal before integrating.
 
I'm not quite sure what you mean. Nobody said r was constant. But the fact that [itex]\frac{d}{dt}(r^2\theta') = 0[/itex] does imply that [itex]r^2\theta' = C[/itex] is constant (why?).
 
(1/r)(dr/dt)= 0 , (dr/dt)= 0
∫ dr = ∫ 0 dt
The answer should be r = constant.
Isn't ?
Can the answer be ∫(1/r)dr= ∫dt .
Then ln(r/ro)= t. Integral from ro to r , and integral from 0 to t. ro is original value r.
 
I thought you said you were puzzled about 1, not 2.


Outrageous said:
(1/r)(dr/dt)= 0 , (dr/dt)= 0
∫ dr = ∫ 0 dt
The answer should be r = constant.
Isn't ?

Yes, that's right.

Can the answer be ∫(1/r)dr= ∫dt .
Then ln(r/ro)= t. Integral from ro to r , and integral from 0 to t. ro is original value r.

##\int \frac 1 r\, dr = \int 0\, dt##, not ##\int 1\, dt##.
 
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I got it. Thanks much
 

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