How to Optimize a simple Electromagnet

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around optimizing an electromagnet to achieve a magnetic field of 100mT at a distance of 1-3 mm from the end of an iron core. Participants explore various design modifications and technical considerations related to the electromagnet's construction and performance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests cutting the iron core in half and combining the pieces to create a stronger core, while another proposes wrapping more coils around the iron, noting potential issues with wire burning.
  • Questions are raised about the purpose of the magnetic field and the required uniformity of the field in the specified volume.
  • Another participant recommends bending the iron bar to form a horseshoe shape to enhance the magnetic field strength, although this is met with skepticism regarding feasibility.
  • A later reply emphasizes reducing the air gap and creating a magnetic path around the iron bar to improve flux retention.
  • One participant mentions the importance of finding the optimum discharge current for battery life and optimizing the coil design to match the battery specifications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various approaches to optimizing the electromagnet, with no consensus on the best method. Multiple competing views and suggestions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of design changes on magnetic field strength and efficiency, but specific assumptions and dependencies on definitions are not fully explored.

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My goal is to make an electromagnet that delivers 100mT magnetic field on one end of the iron. The iron core has a diameter 2.0mm and length 0.1m. I am using a copper wire that can carry 2.3A of current, and I am using a DC power supply.
I have been able to create a 100mT magnetic field on the end of the iron, but I now I need the 100mT magnetic field to be present 1-3 mm away from the end of the electromagnet.
I do know the formulas and have calculated the different variable for the magnetic field using:
B(end) = (kuNI)/2L..
What should I do to optimize the magnetic field:
1. Cut the iron in half and combine the two pieces to make a stronger core?
2. Simply wrap more coils around iron? (I heard this may cause faster wire burning)
 
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Chadvad said:
My goal is to make an electromagnet that delivers 100mT magnetic field on one end of the iron. The iron core has a diameter 2.0mm and length 0.1m. I am using a copper wire that can carry 2.3A of current, and I am using a DC power supply.
I have been able to create a 100mT magnetic field on the end of the iron, but I now I need the 100mT magnetic field to be present 1-3 mm away from the end of the electromagnet.
I do know the formulas and have calculated the different variable for the magnetic field using:
B(end) = (kuNI)/2L..
What should I do to optimize the magnetic field:
1. Cut the iron in half and combine the two pieces to make a stronger core?
2. Simply wrap more coils around iron? (I heard this may cause faster wire burning)
Welcome to the PF.

Can you say what the field is for? How uniform does it need to be in the volume that is 1-3mm away from one end of the bar?

One way to make it stronger is to bend your bar around so the two ends face each other and are about 5mm apart. Can you do this?
 
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berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF.

Can you say what the field is for? How uniform does it need to be in the volume that is 1-3mm away from one end of the bar?

One way to make it stronger is to bend your bar around so the two ends face each other and are about 5mm apart. Can you do this?
I am just making this for class, but those were the specs I was given to make.
I do not think I will be able to bend the bar ( I assume you are talking about a horseshoe electromagnet).
My options are to cut the iron core in half and line it up side by side, or keep turning the coils around the iron.
Do you think that would be the best approach?
 
Berkeman had the right idea... reduce air gap and encourage flux to stay in it.Can you surround your iron bar with a magnetic path ?

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6 inches is .15 meter
clamp your core and epoxy it in place at the fixed end . A small block of wood drilled to 3/32" will give you more glueing surface.
Now you have an adjustable air gap which gives you control of the the dominant L in your flux equation
 
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You have to find out the optimum discharge current to get the best battery life. Also, you have to optimize your magnet design, especially the coil, to match your battery.
 

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