I'm a little rusty, cant solve x+e^x=b

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The original poster is exploring the equation x + e^x = 4 as part of their calculus studies. They express a desire for assistance in solving this equation, indicating they are revisiting calculus after some time away from the subject.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Some participants suggest that there is no analytical solution for the equation and propose numerical methods such as graphing or using a calculator. Others discuss transforming the equation and applying the Lambert W function, while the original poster reflects on their understanding and the complexity of the methods discussed.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided insights into numerical solutions and analytical transformations, while the original poster is considering the complexity of these methods in relation to their current studies.

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The original poster notes that they are using Spivak's book for their studies and expresses a preference for methods that align with their current level of understanding. They also mention a related problem involving x + 3^x < 4, which led to their curiosity about finding roots in equations like x + e^x = b.

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Hi, I'm new here. I'm really rusty, I resume my career this year, and I'm reading 'the spivak book', (for Calculus 1).
Making some exercises, I get curious about how to solve this: x+e^x=4
I would love if someone could give me any trick

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I don't think there is an analytical way to solve for x in this example. I did graph it and found that x=1.0737... approximately.

You could find this by trying different values of x like 0,1,2... And then narrowing in the values. You could also uses a Newtons approximation formula or a graphing calculator to get the result.

Try doing it on a graphics calculator or using some graphing software like freemat on a PC or Mac.
 
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For an "analytical solution", you can first write the equation as e^x= 4- x, then divide both sides by e^x to get (4- x)e^{-x}= 1. Now, let y= 4- x so that -x= y- 4. In terms of y, the equation is ye^{y- 4}= ye^y(e^{-4})= 1. Multiply both sides of the equation by e^4 to get ye^y= e^4.

Finally, apply the "Lambert W function", which is defined as "the inverse function to f(x)= xe^x", to both sides of the equation getting y= W(e^4). Since x= 4- y, the solution to the original equation is x= 4- W(e^4).
 
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HallsofIvy said:
For an "analytical solution", you can first write the equation as e^x= 4- x, then divide both sides by e^x to get (4- x)e^{-x}= 1. Now, let y= 4- x so that -x= y- 4. In terms of y, the equation is ye^{y- 4}= ye^y(e^{-4})= 1. Multiply both sides of the equation by e^4 to get ye^y= e^4.

Finally, apply the "Lambert W function", which is defined as "the inverse function to f(x)= xe^x', to both sides of the equation getting y= W(e^4). Since x= 4- y, the solution to the original equation is x= 4- W(e^4).

Thanks Hallsoflvy, and thanks jedishrfu. First of all, I will get the Hallsoflvy answer, because, I'm pretending to use anything but the first cap, of the Spivak.
By the other part, Hallsoflvy, I did that, but then I realize, that Lambert W function was too over the first cap of the book. Anyway I really like the way you explain me that method.
To be honest, the original problem was x+3^{x}&lt;4. I use desmos.com a lot, to graph these things. I could solve this by seeing that 3^{x}=3 only if x=1, and since 3^{x} rises, (by "common sense"), 3^{x}&lt;3 when x&gt;1 and at the same time I can add these and get x+3^{x}&lt;1+3. I could apply the same to show x+3^{x}&gt;4 when 1&gt;x.
But when I was doing this, I just get curious about how would I find the root, in this case. And then I went (don't know why) to x+e^{x}=b thinking it would be easier.
PD:Thanks for your time. Since I study software engineer, I will be more interested in Calculus, Discrete Maths,
Probability and Statistics etc. But also I will have Pysics I. What I'm saying is that I hope to be useful in this community, and I hope, there where place to my questions.
Also I'm from Uruguay, my apologies for my english. -I can understand you but I'm not really good writing-
 

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