Inclined Plane Problem with change of COM

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A block of mass 10kg is moving up a frictionless incline at 30°, with its center of gravity elevated by 3m and a decrease in kinetic energy of 50J. The discussion focuses on determining the constant force R acting parallel to the incline, considering energy conservation principles. The potential energy gained from the elevation is significantly higher than the kinetic energy lost, leading to confusion about energy conservation. It is clarified that the increase in potential energy is approximately 300J, indicating that an additional force must be acting on the block to account for the energy difference. The conversation emphasizes the need to analyze the work-energy theorem to resolve the discrepancies in energy calculations.
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Homework Statement



A block of mass 10kg moves along a surface inclined 30° to the horizontal. The centre of
gravity of the block is elevated by 3m and the kinetic energy of the block decreases by 50J.
The block is acted upon by a constant force Rparallel to the incline and by the force of
gravity. Assume frictionless surfaces and let g= 9.81 m/s**2.
Determine the magnitude and direction of the constant force R.





Homework Equations



ΔK = m*(Vb^2 - Va^2)*(1/2) , ΔU=mgz



The Attempt at a Solution


Since i am unable to express mathëmatically the ""The centre of
gravity of the block is elevated by 3m and the kinetic energy of the block decreases by 50J""
i will try to ignore it for now.

The force R can be either applied to the left or the right,we don't know yet.I will assume that it is towards the right,if not then the sign will be minus in my final calculations.

-- ΣFy = 0 , N=Wy=mgcos30°
( the COM being the origin and x-axis parallel to the inclined surface)

-- ΣFx = Wx - R

i) How do we even change the COM of a block ?
ii)Why is the kinetic energy lost ( 50J)not equal to the potential energy gained ?
In other words 50 <> m*g*( (h+3)-h) which makes sense mathematically but since energy is conserved where does it go ?

I am really confused guys !
 
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Hello,

Check this (Work-energy theorem).

Also, at the beginning the task says that the force R is parallel to the incline.
 
Thank you for your reply.

Since it says that we are only interested in the change in PE then PE = 3mg right ?

so the change in energy is 50 J therefore 50 - 3mg = constant ?

What about kinetic energy ?
 
DabaDuBa said:
Thank you for your reply.

Since it says that we are only interested in the change in PE then PE = 3mg right ?

so the change in energy is 50 J therefore 50 - 3mg = constant ?

What about kinetic energy ?

Your kinetic energy decreases by 50 J. Your potential energy increases by almost 300 J (3*10*9,81).

That means you have wasted only 50 J of kinetic energy to lift the block 3 meters up, but to do that you need ~300 J. That means some force is acting up the way.

Check the formula here.

What is the initial kinetic and potential energy?
 
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