Index Juggling: Angular Momentum Tensor & Inertia Tensor in 3D-Space

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the angular momentum tensor and the inertia tensor in three-dimensional space. Participants explore the mathematical formulations of these tensors, their properties, and how to derive the common form of the inertia tensor from a more complex representation involving multiple indices. The conversation includes theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning.

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  • One participant presents the angular momentum tensor and derives a form of the inertia tensor, questioning how to relate it to the common form used in 3D space.
  • Another participant points out the mismatch in indices between the common form of the inertia tensor and the presented tensor with four indices, raising concerns about tensor contractions involving antisymmetric tensors.
  • A participant defines the angular momentum vector and provides an alternative formulation using the Levi-Civita tensor, leading to a different expression for the inertia tensor.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the properties of the Levi-Civita tensor and how they can be used to manipulate the expressions for angular momentum and inertia.
  • One participant asserts that in 3D, there is no distinction between upper and lower indices, suggesting that the metric simplifies the expressions significantly.
  • Another participant elaborates on how to obtain the inertia tensor from the presented tensor by contracting with the metric, providing a step-by-step approach to the transformation.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between the various forms of the inertia tensor and the angular momentum tensor. There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial tensor formulation or the best approach to derive the common form of the inertia tensor.

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Participants note potential limitations in their assumptions regarding the properties of tensors and the implications of using different indices. The discussion remains focused on the mathematical relationships without resolving the correctness of the various formulations presented.

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Lets consider the angular momentum tensor (here ##m=1##)
\begin{equation}
L^{ij} = x^iv^j - x^jv^i
\end{equation}
and rortational velocity of particle (expressed via angular momentum tensor)
\begin{equation}
v^j = \omega^{jm}x_m.
\end{equation}

Then

\begin{equation}
L^{ij} = x^ix_m\omega^{jm} - x^jx_m\omega^{im}
\end{equation}

Now we can lower indices near ##\omega## with metric tensor:
\begin{align}
\omega^{jm} = g^{jn}g^{mr}\omega_{nr} \\
\omega^{im} = g^{in}g^{mr}\omega_{nr}
\end{align}

So, we get

\begin{equation}
L^{ij} = \left( x^ix_mg^{jn}g^{mr} - x^jx_m g^{in}g^{mr}\right) \omega_{nr}
\end{equation}

So, we can conclude ##L^{ij} = I^{ijnr} \omega_{nr}##, the inertia tensor is

\begin{equation}
I^{ijnr} = x^ix_mg^{jn}g^{mr} - x^jx_m g^{in}g^{mr}
\end{equation}Common form of inertia tensor
\begin{equation}
I^i_j = \delta_j^i x^2 - x^ix_j
\end{equation}

So, my question, how can I get common form of inertia tensor ##I^i_j ## in case 3D-space based on my ##I^{ijnr} ## (if it correct, of course)?
 
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What's the relation between L, I and omega for your "common form of I"? The indices don't match between that common form and your I with 4 indices.

Also, be aware of solving for tensors in contractions if these contractions involve (anti)symmetric tensors.
 
haushofer said:
What's the relation between L, I and omega for your "common form of I"? The indices don't match between that common form and your I with 4 indices.

Definition of angular momentum vector (##m = 1##)
\begin{equation}
L_l = \epsilon_{lij}x^iv^j
\end{equation}
(##L_l## dual to ##L^{ij} = x^iv^j - x^jv^i## tensor)

Rortational velocity of particle
\begin{equation}
v^j = \epsilon^{jrk}\omega_rx_k.
\end{equation}
(##\omega_r## dual to ##\omega^{jk}## antisymmetric tensor of angular velocity ##\epsilon^{jrk}\omega_r = \omega^{jk}##)

Substitute in the angular momentum definition
\begin{equation}
L_l = \epsilon_{lij}x^i\epsilon^{jrk}\omega_rx_k.
\end{equation}

Let us use the property of the Levi-Civita tensor:
\begin{equation}
\epsilon^{lij} = -\epsilon^{jli}
\end{equation}

then

\begin{equation}
L_l = - \epsilon_{jli}\epsilon^{jkr}x^ix_k\omega_r.
\end{equation}

Let us use another property of the Levi-Civita tensor:
\begin{equation}
\epsilon_{jli}\epsilon^{jkr} = \delta_l^k\delta_i^r - \delta_l^r\delta_i^k.
\end{equation}

\begin{equation}
L_l = \left( \delta_l^r\delta_i^k - \delta_l^k\delta_i^r \right) x^ix_k\omega_r.
\end{equation}

Expand the brackets and take into account that ##\delta_i^r x^i = x^r##, ##\delta_l^k x_k = x_l## and ##\delta_i^k x^i = x^k##, we get
\begin{equation}
L_l = \left( \delta_l^r x^kx_k - x^rx_l\right) \omega_r,
\end{equation}

or

\begin{equation}
L_l = \left( \delta_l^r x^2 - x^rx_l\right) \omega_r,
\end{equation}

where inertia tensor
\begin{equation}
I_l^r = \delta_l^r x^2 - x^rx_l
\end{equation}
 
sergiokapone said:
\begin{equation}
I^{ijnr} = x^ix_mg^{jn}g^{mr} - x^jx_m g^{in}g^{mr}
\end{equation}

Common form of inertia tensor
\begin{equation}
I^i_j = \delta_j^i x^2 - x^ix_j
\end{equation}

So, my question, how can I get common form of inertia tensor ##I^i_j ## in case 3D-space based on my ##I^{ijnr} ## (if it correct, of course)?
In 3D there is no difference between upper and lower indices, and the metric is: g_{ij} = g^{ij} = \delta^{ij} = \delta_{ij} = \delta^{i}_{j}. But even if you keep using upper and lower indices, "your tensor" is just I^{ijmn} = x^{i}x^{j} g^{mn} - x^{m}x^{j}g^{in}. To obtain the inertia tensor from that, you just need to contract with g_{ij}: g_{ij}I^{ijmn} = x^{2}g^{mn} – x^{m}x^{n} , or g_{ln}g_{ij}I^{ijmn} \equiv I^{jm}_{j}{}_{l} = x^{2} \delta^{m}{}_{l} - x^{m}x_{l} .
 
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