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The discussion revolves around proving the commutativity of multiplication with the identity matrix using index notation. Participants explore the implications of repeated indices in their derivations and the nuances of Einstein notation versus standard notation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to compute expressions for the products of the identity matrix with another matrix, questioning the validity of their derivations due to repeated indices. Some express concern about whether their reasoning is overly pedantic regarding definitions and notation.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the use of notation and its implications for mathematical expressions. There is a recognition of the complexities involved in using Einstein notation and the potential for confusion with repeated indices.

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Participants note the constraints of using Einstein notation in certain contexts and the importance of clarity in mathematical exercises, particularly in distinguishing between different types of notation.

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Homework Statement
Prove that multiplication with the Identity Matrix is commutative
Relevant Equations
My approach is to compute expressions for ##IA## and ##AI## and show that ##IA = AI##

Of course If ##A## is an ##m \times n## matrix it would be ##I_m## on the left and ##I_n## on the right.
Terms only generate when ##k = i ##

##\left( IA \right)_{ij} = \delta_{ik}A_{kj} = \delta_{ii}A_{ij} = A_{ij}##

##\left( AI \right)_{ij} = A_{ik} \delta_{kj} = A_{ii} \delta_{ij} = A_{ij}##

Therefore ##IA = AI##

I’m bothered by three repeated indices so I’m questioning my derivation.
 
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PhDeezNutz said:
Homework Statement: Prove that multiplication with the Identity Matrix is commutative
Relevant Equations: My approach is to compute expressions for ##IA## and ##AI## and show that ##IA = AI##

Of course If ##A## is an ##m \times n## matrix it would be ##I_m## on the left and ##I_n## on the right.

Terms only generate when ##k = i ##

##\left( IA \right)_{ij} = \delta_{ik}A_{kj} = \delta_{ii}A_{ij} = A_{ij}##

##\left( AI \right)_{ij} = A_{ik} \delta_{kj} = A_{ii} \delta_{ij} = A_{ij}##

Therefore ##IA = AI##

I’m bothered by three repeated indices so I’m questioning my derivation.
If you are using the (Einstein) notation with summation suppressed, then technically you must go directly:
$$\delta_{ik}A_{kj} = A_{ij}$$If you are using standard notation, then there is no limit to how many terms you can have with the same index.
 
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So does that mean I’m splitting hairs over what is essentially a definition?
 
PhDeezNutz said:
So does that mean I’m splitting hairs over what is essentially a definition?
Not really. The Einstein notation cannot handle the second of these expressions:
$$\sum_i a_ib_i \equiv a_ib_i$$$$a_ib_i \ \ \text{for some specific i}$$It also can't handle something like:
$$\exists i: a_i = b_i$$Instead:
$$(\forall i: a_i = b_i) \equiv a_i = b_i$$
 
My advice is to use explicit notation for math exercises and keep Einstein for physics later on.

I am unhappy with $$\left( AI \right)_{ij} = \sum_k A_{ik} \delta_{kj} = \sum_? A_{ii} \delta_{ij} = A_{ij}$$and would stay with $$\left( AI \right)_{ij} = \sum_k A_{ik} \delta_{kj} = A_{ij} $$because ## \sum A_{ii} \delta_{ij} \ne A_{ij}##

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