Induced Electric Field In Circuit With Varying Resistance

AI Thread Summary
The discussion revolves around a problem involving a solenoid with a wire ring of varying resistance and the induced electric field due to a changing magnetic field. The key point is that while the induced electric field is independent of resistance, the net electric fields in the different sections of the circuit depend on their respective resistances due to charge accumulation. Initially, there is a charge imbalance because the currents in the two halves of the ring differ, leading to surface charge redistribution until equilibrium is reached. The participants clarify that the induced electric field is uniform across the circuit, but the net effects vary based on resistance, highlighting the importance of surface charge feedback mechanisms. This understanding is crucial for analyzing circuits with varying magnetic fields and resistances.
PumpkinCougar95

Homework Statement


This is irodov's problem #310 in electrodynamics

A long solenoid of cross-sectional radius a has a thin insulated wire ring tightly put on its winding; one half of the ring has the resistance ## \beta ## times that of the other half. The magnetic induction produced by the solenoid varies with time as B = bt, where b is a constant. Find the magnitude of the electric field strength in the ring.

Homework Equations



Provided solution:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2jHGkWhC0E2eWtIOXV2SWFVdmM/view?usp=sharing

The Attempt at a Solution



Why have we not used the formula :

## E = \frac {r}{2} \frac {dB} {dt} ## for the Electric field , where r is the radius of the circle.
Why is the electric field dependent on the resistance?

Also, How can charges just accumulate in a wire? Why doesn't this happen in other cases?

Lastly, The solution states that the current in the 2 sections must be different, yet it has taken the current to be the same in its first two equations, why is this?

Thanks for your help!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
PumpkinCougar95 said:
Also, How can charges just accumulate in a wire?
They accumulate on the surface of the wire to aid the electric field in the part of higher resistance and oppose the electric field in the part of lower resistance, so as to make the currents equal in both the parts. It is a series circuit after all.
PumpkinCougar95 said:
Lastly, The solution states that the current in the 2 sections must be different,
The currents are different initially. This causes the charges to accumulate at the junction of the two resistances and the currents become equal in very short time (typically of the order of 10-12 s or smaller).
 
Thanks for Replying
But i thought that whenever there is a changing B field it creates a E field by the equation ##E = \frac {r}{2} \frac {db}{dt}## irrespective of the circuit in question. Then how is it that in this case, the E field is dependant upon the resistance? Is it that the E field the question is asking about an electrostatic field created by those induced charges?
Also, how do you know the charges will be on the surface?
 
PumpkinCougar95 said:
Also, how do you know the charges will be on the surface?
Initially, the currents (or flows of charges) will be different in both the parts. This means there is a momentary charge imbalance i.e. in one part, there is an excess of electrons while in the other part, there is a deficiency of electrons. Where does the extra charge in a conductor go? It has to accumulate on the surface. This accumulation stops only when both the currents are same, i.e. no charge imbalance.
PumpkinCougar95 said:
But i thought that whenever there is a changing B field it creates a E field by the equation E=r2dbdtE=r2dbdtE = \frac {r}{2} \frac {db}{dt} irrespective of the circuit in question.
First, the formula doesn't look correct. Area of the loop is pi*r2.

Yes, the "induced" electric field is independent of the resistance and by symmetry, it should be same in both the halves of the circuit. But this gives rise to charge imbalance and in response, the surface charges rearrange themselves until there is no charge imbalance. This means, while the "induced" emfs are independent of the resistance, the "net" electric fields in both the parts strongly depend on the resistances of the parts.

This happens in circuits without varying B-fields as well. Look up 'surface charge feedback mechanism' in circuits. It will give you some insight about the concept of voltage drop and Kirchhoff's rules. It is very interesting.
 
Last edited:
I multiplied the values first without the error limit. Got 19.38. rounded it off to 2 significant figures since the given data has 2 significant figures. So = 19. For error I used the above formula. It comes out about 1.48. Now my question is. Should I write the answer as 19±1.5 (rounding 1.48 to 2 significant figures) OR should I write it as 19±1. So in short, should the error have same number of significant figures as the mean value or should it have the same number of decimal places as...
Thread 'Collision of a bullet on a rod-string system: query'
In this question, I have a question. I am NOT trying to solve it, but it is just a conceptual question. Consider the point on the rod, which connects the string and the rod. My question: just before and after the collision, is ANGULAR momentum CONSERVED about this point? Lets call the point which connects the string and rod as P. Why am I asking this? : it is clear from the scenario that the point of concern, which connects the string and the rod, moves in a circular path due to the string...
Thread 'A cylinder connected to a hanging mass'
Let's declare that for the cylinder, mass = M = 10 kg Radius = R = 4 m For the wall and the floor, Friction coeff = ##\mu## = 0.5 For the hanging mass, mass = m = 11 kg First, we divide the force according to their respective plane (x and y thing, correct me if I'm wrong) and according to which, cylinder or the hanging mass, they're working on. Force on the hanging mass $$mg - T = ma$$ Force(Cylinder) on y $$N_f + f_w - Mg = 0$$ Force(Cylinder) on x $$T + f_f - N_w = Ma$$ There's also...
Back
Top