Initial value problem D.E. (confused of a weird sol.)

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The discussion revolves around solving an initial value problem involving a second-order linear differential equation with constant coefficients. The equation is given as y" + 4y' + 4y = (3 + x)e-2x, with initial conditions y(0) = 2 and y'(0) = 5. The method of undetermined coefficients is being employed to find a particular solution.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the characteristic equation associated with the homogeneous part of the differential equation and the need for two linearly independent solutions due to the double root. There is an exploration of the appropriate form for the particular solution, with questions about the roles of constants A and B and their dependency on x. Some participants suggest revising the assumed form of the particular solution to account for the overlap with the homogeneous solutions.

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The discussion has evolved with participants providing guidance on the necessity of including both independent solutions in the general solution. There is acknowledgment of the initial confusion regarding the constants in the particular solution, and suggestions have been made to adjust the assumed form to avoid redundancy with the homogeneous solutions. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the problem setup and refine the approach.

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Participants note the importance of correctly identifying the multiplicity of roots in the characteristic equation and the implications for the form of the particular solution. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the chosen form does not replicate solutions already present in the homogeneous solution set.

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Homework Statement


solve:

y" + 4y' + 4y = (3 + x)e-2x ... (1); y(0) = 2 & y'(0) = 5

Homework Equations


using Undetermined Coefficients Method


The Attempt at a Solution



solving the associated homog. eq of (1) : y" + 4y' + 4y = 0 ... (2)

we get: yc = c1 e-2x as m=-2

let f(x) = (3 + x)e-2x

the UC set of :

a) 3e-2x = {e-2x} = S1

b) xe-2x = {xe-2x , e-2x} = S2

as S1 is included in S2 then we omit S1

but e-2x is a solution of (2) as its in yc then we multiply the 2ns set by x to get:

S'2 = {x2 e-2x, xe-2x } where both of the elements are NOT sol.'s of (2)

hence we get yp = Axe-2x + Bx2 e-2x

y'p = Ae-2x -2Axe-2x + 2Bxe-2x - 2Bx2 e-2x

& y"p = -4Ae-2x + 4Axe-2x + 2Be-2x - 8Bxe-2x +4Bx2 e-2x

substitution in (1) one gets:

2Be-2x = (3+x)e-2x so B = 3+x/2 ? ??

where is A? why is B interms of x?

please help
thx
 
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bobmerhebi said:
solving the associated homog. eq of (1) : y" + 4y' + 4y = 0 ... (2)

we get: yc = c1 e-2x as m=-2

Sure, m=-2 but with what multiplicity?:wink:...Remember, your homog DE is second order, so you expect two linearly independent solutions. You seem to only be using one of them.

This will also affect y_p.
 
bobmerhebi said:

Homework Statement


solve:

y" + 4y' + 4y = (3 + x)e-2x ... (1); y(0) = 2 & y'(0) = 5

Homework Equations


using Undetermined Coefficients Method


The Attempt at a Solution



solving the associated homog. eq of (1) : y" + 4y' + 4y = 0 ... (2)

we get: yc = c1 e-2x as m=-2
This is a second order equation. You need TWO independent solutions to form the general solution. Since m= -2 is a double root of the characteristic equation, xe-x is the other, independent, solution.

let f(x) = (3 + x)e-2x

the UC set of :

a) 3e-2x = {e-2x} = S1

b) xe-2x = {xe-2x , e-2x} = S2

as S1 is included in S2 then we omit S1

but e-2x is a solution of (2) as its in yc then we multiply the 2ns set by x to get:

S'2 = {x2 e-2x, xe-2x } where both of the elements are NOT sol.'s of (2)

hence we get yp = Axe-2x + Bx2 e-2x

y'p = Ae-2x -2Axe-2x + 2Bxe-2x - 2Bx2 e-2x

& y"p = -4Ae-2x + 4Axe-2x + 2Be-2x - 8Bxe-2x +4Bx2 e-2x

substitution in (1) one gets:

2Be-2x = (3+x)e-2x so B = 3+x/2 ? ??

where is A? why is B interms of x?

please help
thx
A has disappeared and you can't solve for the constant B because both Ae-2x and Bxe-2x are already solutions to the homogeneous equation. In order not to have either e-2x or xe-2x you will need to multiply by x2.

Try y= (Ax2+ Bx3) e-2x and solve for A and B.
 
thx. i had in mind that i might have done a mistake in writing y_c but didn't bother to correct it. now i see how it caused the 2nd problem.
now after resolving it i got A =3/2 & B = 1/6

thus we now have:

y = c1 e-2x + c2 xe-2x + (3/2)x2 e-2x + (1/6)x3 e-2x

solving for the conditions i got:

c1 = 2 & c2 = 9

thus y becomes:

y = 2e-2x + 9xe-2x + (3/2)x2 e-2x + (1/6)x3 e-2x


i think this is the general solution. thanks 4 the help
 

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