Integration by parts (LIPET Or LIATE)

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The discussion revolves around the integration by parts technique, specifically the mnemonics LIPET and LIATE, which are used to determine the order of functions when selecting u and dv. Participants are also questioning the order of trigonometric functions in this context.

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  • Participants are exploring the validity of the mnemonics LIPET and LIATE, questioning which is correct and how they relate to the integration process. There are discussions about the characteristics of different types of functions and their suitability for selection as u or dv in integration by parts.

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Some participants have provided definitions for LIPET and LIATE, noting that both are correct. There is an ongoing exploration of how to apply these mnemonics in practice, with various interpretations of the order of functions being discussed. Guidance has been offered regarding the characteristics of functions that influence their selection as u or dv.

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Participants are navigating the nuances of function selection in integration by parts, with some expressing confusion about the mnemonics and their application. There is a lack of consensus on the best approach to take, highlighting the subjective nature of the problem.

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Can anyone tell me which one is right (LIPET or LIATE)?
Also, in trig, which one come first? sin,cos or tan?
thx

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i don't get it
 
That site gives "LIATE" but I still have no idea what "LIPET" might be. In any case, it seems to me just silly to "order" functions like that.

\int udv= uv- \int v du

Since you are going to have to go from u to du, u should be a function that you can differentiate. Since you are going to have to go from dv to v, dv should be a function that you can integrate. And, after you have tried that, see it you can integrate \int v du.
 
It is the order in which you have select the first term and the second term in the integration by parts, i.e. in udv, which should be u and which should be dv.
The order is Logarithmic or Inverse, Algebraic, Trigonometric and Exponential.
 
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Oh, it's like a mnemonic hint on choosing u and dv. Log and inverse functions are hard to integrate but easy to differentiate, so they tend to be u. Exponentials are easy to integrate or differentiate, so they tend to be dv.

Of course you could just say to yourself, "Self! Which of these needs to be u and which dv?" in which case you will probably succeed just as often if you think about it.
 
Nope said:
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Can anyone tell me which one is right (LIPET or LIATE)?
Also, in trig, which one come first? sin,cos or tan?
thx
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Both are correct.
LIPET means Logarithmic, Inverse, Polynomial, Exponential and trigonometric.
LIATE means Logarithmic, Inverse, Algebraic , trigonometric and Exponential.
In the integration by parts , the first two terms usually won't come together. Either one can be taken as u in Intg(u*δv).
Any one of the last two terms can be u, because both are differentiable and integrable.
 
rl.bhat said:
Both are correct.
LIPET means Logarithmic, Inverse, Polynomial, Exponential and trigonometric.
LIATE means Logarithmic, Inverse, Algebraic , trigonometric and Exponential.
In the integration by parts , the first two terms usually won't come together. Either one can be taken as u in Intg(u*δv).
Any one of the last two terms can be u, because both are differentiable and integrable.

QFT that.

Logarthmic Functions are generally the best to derive, especially when paired with polynomials. Exponential and trigonometric functions tend to be bad to derive, as they have an infinite amount of derivatives... that mean something.
 

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