Integration by substitution with radicals

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The discussion revolves around the problem of finding the derivative of the integral function h(x) defined as h(x) = ∫√(1+t^3) dt from x^2 to 2. Participants are exploring the application of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the process of using substitution and the implications of flipping the limits of integration. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the derivative of the integral and the limits involved. Questions arise regarding the handling of variables in the denominator and the correct application of the chain rule.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the correct interpretation of the limits and the application of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus. There is ongoing exploration of the correct expressions for the derivative, with various interpretations being discussed. While some participants express uncertainty about their reasoning, others affirm parts of the discussion as correct.

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There is mention of confusion regarding the limits of integration and the need to correctly apply the chain rule when differentiating. Participants are also navigating the use of LaTeX for clarity in their mathematical expressions.

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Homework Statement


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h(x)=∫√(1+t^3) dt find h'(2)
x^2

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


I started out solving this equation by flipping x^2 and 2 and making the integral negative. From here on out, I'm lost. I've tried substituting u in for 1+t^3 and solving it that way, but I get caught up when I get du=3t^2 dt and h(x)=∫u^(1/2) du/(3t^2). How am I supposed to compensate for a t variable in the denominator? I can handle the rest of the problem if I can just find the antiderivative of √(1+t^3).
 
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adaschau2 said:

Homework Statement


2
h(x)=∫√(1+t^3) dt find h'(2)
x^2

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


I started out solving this equation by flipping x^2 and 2 and making the integral negative. From here on out, I'm lost. I've tried substituting u in for 1+t^3 and solving it that way, but I get caught up when I get du=3t^2 dt and h(x)=∫u^(1/2) du/(3t^2). How am I supposed to compensate for a t variable in the denominator? I can handle the rest of the problem if I can just find the antiderivative of √(1+t^3).

Re-rendering your integral in tex:

[tex]h(x) = \int_{x^2}^2 \sqrt{1+t^3}\ dt[/tex]

It didn't ask you to find a simple formula for h(x). You only need h'. Look at what the fundamental theorem of calculus tells you about derivatives of integrals as functions of their limits.
 
If I understand this right, I'm setting f(x)= ∫√(1+t^3) dt, lower limit=2, upper limit=x
So f'(x)= √1+x^3 and g'(x)=2x. Going back to the original equation, h'(x)=-f'(g(x))g'(x)=√[1+(x^2)^3]2x=2x√(1+x^2)
h'(2)=2(2)√(1+2^2)=4√5

is that right?
 
Okay, so if
[tex] h(x)= \int_{2}^x^2 \sqrt{1+t^3} \ dt[/tex]
and [tex]\sqrt{1+t^3}[/tex] equals h'(t), then h(x)=h'(x^2)?
The solution is h'(x)=√(1+(x^2)^3) and h'(2)=√65?
This doesn't sound right, so I apologize for my ignorance.
 
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adaschau2 said:
If I understand this right, I'm setting f(x)= ∫√(1+t^3) dt, lower limit=2, upper limit=x
So f'(x)= √1+x^3 and g'(x)=2x. Going back to the original equation, h'(x)=-f'(g(x))g'(x)=√[1+(x^2)^3]2x=2x√(1+x^2)
h'(2)=2(2)√(1+2^2)=4√5

is that right?

About 50% of that is right. The rest is all garbled up. Lower limit x^2, upper limit 2. Start by fixing that. And how did (x^2)^3 turn into x^2? The -f'(g(x))*g'(x) is the center of the correct part.
 
Dick said:
About 50% of that is right. The rest is all garbled up. Lower limit x^2, upper limit 2. Start by fixing that. And how did (x^2)^3 turn into x^2? The -f'(g(x))*g'(x) is the center of the correct part.

I already did rearrange the limits, that's about the only part that I knew to do initially. I did a little research and found that the derivative with respect to x of the integral from 2 to x^2 of √(1+t^3) dt equals -f'(g(x))g'(x) (negative because I flipped the limits). Now if f(x)=√(1+x^3) and g(x)=x^2, then the resulting equation would be h'(x)=-[√(1+(x^2)^3)*2x]=-2x√(1+x^6). Is that correct reasoning? If not, what part did I mess up?
 
adaschau2 said:
I already did rearrange the limits, that's about the only part that I knew to do initially. I did a little research and found that the derivative with respect to x of the integral from 2 to x^2 of √(1+t^3) dt equals -f'(g(x))g'(x) (negative because I flipped the limits). Now if f(x)=√(1+x^3) and g(x)=x^2, then the resulting equation would be h'(x)=-[√(1+(x^2)^3)*2x]=-2x√(1+x^6). Is that correct reasoning? If not, what part did I mess up?

Now that's correct. It's just that your previous post had some typos in it. So h'(2)=??
 
Dick said:
Now that's correct. It's just that your previous post had some typos in it. So h'(2)=??

Yeah, sorry about that, I should really learn to use the LaTeX code better. And I believe the final answer would be [tex]h'(2)=4\sqrt{65}[/tex]. There we go, that's a start. Thanks for all of your help!
 
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adaschau2 said:
Yeah, sorry about that, I should really learn to use the LaTeX code better. And I believe the final answer would be [tex]h'(2)=4\sqrt{65}[/tex]. There we go, that's a start. Thanks for all of your help!

Sign's wrong, dude. Other than that, fine!
 

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