Integration in polar coordinates

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The discussion revolves around the application of divergence in spherical polar coordinates, specifically addressing the volume integral of a vector field and its relation to the Dirac delta function. Participants are exploring the mathematical implications of the divergence of the vector field \(\frac{\hat r}{r^2}\) and its evaluation over a sphere of radius \(R\).

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  • Participants are questioning the validity of the original equations presented, particularly the integration bounds and the interpretation of the divergence operator. There is a focus on clarifying the relationship between the vector field and the scalar result of the integral, as well as the implications of the divergence being zero except at the origin.

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There is ongoing exploration of the mathematical expressions and their interpretations. Some participants have pointed out ambiguities in the original post and are seeking clarification on the formulation of the problem. The discussion is productive, with participants offering insights into the nature of the divergence and its implications.

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Participants are navigating potential ambiguities in the problem setup, particularly regarding the integration variable and bounds. The original poster's formulation has led to questions about the assumptions made in the context of the divergence and its evaluation.

Apashanka
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Homework Statement
In spherical poler coordinates the volume integral over a sphere of radius R of $$\int^R_0\frac{\hat r}{r^2}dv=\int_{surface}\frac{\hat r}{r^2}•\vec ds$$

$$=4\pi$$
Relevant Equations
In spherical poler coordinates the volume integral over a sphere of radius R of $$\int^R_0\frac{\hat r}{r^2}dv=\int_{surface}\frac{\hat r}{r^2}•\vec ds$$

$$=4\pi$$
In spherical poler coordinates the volume integral over a sphere of radius R of $$\int^R_0\vec \nabla•\frac{\hat r}{r^2}dv=\int_{surface}\frac{\hat r}{r^2}•\vec ds$$
$$=4\pi=4\pi\int_{-\inf}^{inf}\delta(r)dr$$
How can it be extended to get $$\vec \nabla•\frac{\hat r}{r^2}=4\pi\delta^3(r)??$$
 
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I am unclear on what you are given and what you are trying to show.

Apashanka said:
$$\int^R_0\frac{\hat r}{r^2}dv$$
The bounds don't match the integration variable (dv). You mean
$$\int_V\frac{\hat r}{r^2}dv$$
Apashanka said:
$$\int^R_0\vec \nabla•\frac{\hat r}{r^2}dv=\int_{surface}\frac{\hat r}{r^2}•\vec ds$$
This seems to be identical to your earlier equation except for the Del on the left. They can't both be true.
 
haruspex said:
This seems to be identical to your earlier equation except for the Del on the left. They can't both be true.
The only possibly relevant interpretation is
$$
\int_{r < R} \nabla \cdot \frac{\hat r}{r^2} dV
$$
Without the divergence operator, the expression is a vector that obviously cannot equal a scalar.

Of course, OP should be careful in formulating the original post such that this ambiguity does not arise.
 
Orodruin said:
The only possibly relevant interpretation is
$$
\int_{r < R} \nabla \cdot \frac{\hat r}{r^2} dV
$$
Without the divergence operator, the expression is a vector that obviously cannot equal a scalar.

Of course, OP should be careful in formulating the original post such that this ambiguity does not arise.
Ya in this case the Rhs equals $$4\pi$$.
What I want to clarify is $$\vec \nabla•\frac{\hat r}{r^2}=4\pi\delta^3(r)$$
 
Apashanka said:
Ya in this case the Rhs equals $$4\pi$$.
What I want to clarify is $$\vec \nabla•\frac{\hat r}{r^2}=4\pi\delta^3(r)$$
The divergence is zero everywhere except in r=0, as can be easily verified by using the expression for divergence in spherical coordinates. In order to integrate to ##4\pi##, the divergence therefore must be ##4\pi\delta^{(3)}(\vec r)##.
 

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