Integration to calculate centre of mass

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The discussion focuses on understanding the integration process for calculating the center of mass of a cone and a rod. The confusion arises from the expression r=R(1-z/h), where participants clarify that this formulation reflects the geometry of the cone, with r representing the radius at a height z, and that the base of the cone is at z=0. The derivation involves linear interpolation, ensuring that when z=0, r equals R, and when z=h, r equals 0. Additionally, there is uncertainty regarding the parameter 'a' in the context of the rod's varying density, which participants note is not well explained in the text. Overall, visualizing the problem and understanding the geometric relationships are emphasized as key to resolving the confusion.
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There are two problems I am facing, and in each one, they are introducing new terms in the integration but I don't understand how.

Problem #1

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Where I become lost is r=R(1-z/h)
Why is this not just r=R(z/h)? Where does the 1-z come from?

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In this question, there is an integration for part b. Where I become confused is when they pull 1+a out of the integral. Where does this 1+a come from? I am relatively new to integration but know the basics. I guess I just can't seem to reason why some of these steps are being done.

Any guidance would be great! :)
 
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MathewsMD said:
Problem #1

Where I become lost is r=R(1-z/h)
Why is this not just r=R(z/h)? Where does the 1-z come from?
Note that the base of the cone is at z = 0, which is where the radius of the disk will be greatest and equal to R. r is the radius of the disk as a function of z.
 
In the diagram, change the y-axis to the z axis and turn 'dy' into 'dz'. Whoever wrote the text and drew the diagram apparently didn't compare notes.
 
Doc Al said:
Note that the base of the cone is at z = 0, which is where the radius of the disk will be greatest and equal to R. r is the radius of the disk as a function of z.

Okay. I'm still a little confused on how they derived r=R(1-z/h) though. Any more clarification would be very helpful.

Any assistance on the second problem would be great too!

Thanks :)

SteamKing said:
In the diagram, change the y-axis to the z axis and turn 'dy' into 'dz'. Whoever wrote the text and drew the diagram apparently didn't compare notes.

And yes. I eventually caught on since they introduced z instead of the y in the image. Thanks for pointing it out.
 
When z = 0, r = R and when z = h, r = 0. What you want to do is set up a linear interpolation to determine r between these two values of z. If r = R*z/h, then r = 0 when z = 0; or, in other words, the cone would be turned upside down with the pointy end at the bottom.

As far as the rod is concerned, the explanation in the text is lacking in describing what the parameter 'a' is supposed to mean. Since the density of the rod varies with length, 'a' must have something to do with expressing the density ρ as a function of x.
 
SteamKing said:
When z = 0, r = R and when z = h, r = 0. What you want to do is set up a linear interpolation to determine r between these two values of z. If r = R*z/h, then r = 0 when z = 0; or, in other words, the cone would be turned upside down with the pointy end at the bottom.

As far as the rod is concerned, the explanation in the text is lacking in describing what the parameter 'a' is supposed to mean. Since the density of the rod varies with length, 'a' must have something to do with expressing the density ρ as a function of x.

Okay, that makes sense. I'm just confused as to why there is a 1-z in the solution instead of just ±z (depending on our definition of z=0).

I feel like I'm missing something obvious right now.
 
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If it helps, draw a sketch.
 
Doc Al said:
Note that the base of the cone is at z = 0, which is where the radius of the disk will be greatest and equal to R. r is the radius of the disk as a function of z.
To add to the top answer: Imagine a 2D cut of the cone: the cone defines a right triangle such tan Q = R /h. But the position of the differential disk defines a second right triangle with same angle: tan Q = r / h'. Where r is the base radius and h' the height of the inner triangle. Now h' the height of the second triangle is h the total height minus z the position of the differential disk : h' = h-z.

Finally : tan Q = (R / h) = (r /h') = (r /h-z) --> r = (R /h) ( h - z) = R (1 - z/h )
 
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