Integration - u substitution problem (Integration by parts?)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves finding the integral of the expression 3x * (2x-5)^6 with respect to x, using the substitution u = 2x - 5. Participants are exploring whether to apply integration by parts or u-substitution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of u-substitution and the need to express the integrand solely in terms of u. There is confusion regarding the integration process and the relationship between the variables.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on substituting x in terms of u to simplify the integral. There is an ongoing exploration of the integration steps, with participants expressing uncertainty about the correct approach and the resulting expressions.

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Participants note that the original poster is self-studying and preparing for university, which may influence their understanding of the topic. There is mention of previous successful attempts at similar problems, indicating varying levels of familiarity with integration techniques.

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Homework Statement



Find the integral of 3x* (2x-5)^6*dx, let u= 2x -5.

Homework Equations


Im not sure if i am meant to use integration by parts or not?? I was able to do previous questions of the topic just using u sub to get rid of the first x variable.


The Attempt at a Solution


So i started by
u= 2x-5
du/dx = 2
dx= du/2

integral of 3x * (u)^6* du/2
3x/2 *1/7 (u)^7 +c

= 3x/14 * (2x-5)^7 +c
However i know this is wrong because i took the integral in the form of a product (with two x variables).

Please help i have been teaching this topic to myself via online videos as I do not go to school, and want to catch up before i start uni (majoring in physics ;))
 
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sg001 said:

Homework Statement



Find the integral of 3x* (2x-5)^6*dx, let u= 2x -5.

Homework Equations


Im not sure if i am meant to use integration by parts or not?? I was able to do previous questions of the topic just using u sub to get rid of the first x variable.


The Attempt at a Solution


So i started by
u= 2x-5
du/dx = 2
dx= du/2

integral of 3x * (u)^6* du/2
You're fine up to here, but you need to get the integrand in terms of just u, so solve u=2x-5 for x and substitute the result into the integrand.
 
Thanks for the quick reply, although

doing this I get,
x=(5+u)/2
Hence, 3*(5+u/2)*1/2*1/7*(u)^7
= 15/28 *(2x-5)^7 + c

Butthe apparent answer is not this
it is... 3/32 * (2x-5)^8 + 15/28 (2x-5) +c

So i got the last part,, but where does the first part come into the equation??

Thanks in advance.
 
sorry, error in the answer it should be,

3/32 * (2x-5)^8 + 15/28 (2x-5)^7 +c
 
You have to substitute for x first, multiply everything out, and then integrate.
 
still don't understand because it looks as if he has integrated once to get u^7 and then again to get u^8? I am lost.
 
You need to take it one step at a time. You got to
$$\frac{3}{2} \int x u^6\,du$$ which you can't integrate yet. So you substitute for x and get
$$\frac{3}{4} \int (u+5) u^6\,du$$ Now how do you integrate that?
 
just got that ooooohhh moment.
thanks so much for the help greatly appreciated.
live long and prosper ;)
 

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