Internal combustion engine backpressure

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The discussion centers around the effects of backpressure in diesel engines, particularly how it impacts engine performance and the calculation of mean effective pressure (MEP). Participants explore the complexities involved in quantifying backpressure effects, especially when it does not reach maximum values.

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Main Points Raised

  • Oleg inquires about calculating exhaust backpressure effects on engine performance, specifically when backpressure is below maximum levels.
  • Some participants suggest that backpressure relates to mean effective pressure, but the exact formula remains unclear.
  • One participant notes that while brake mean effective pressure (BMEP) is relevant, the relationship between backpressure and engine performance is complex and influenced by factors such as throttle position and engine speed.
  • For multi-cylinder engines, the interaction of backpressure with pumping losses during the operation of multiple cylinders complicates the calculations further.
  • A later reply presents a model involving indicated work and pumping work, suggesting a method to approximate pumping mean effective pressure (PMEP) based on exhaust and suction pressures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the relationship between backpressure and engine performance, with no consensus reached on a definitive method for calculation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to quantify these effects.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of interactions between backpressure, engine speed, throttle position, and the number of cylinders, which may affect the calculations and assumptions made by participants.

OlegZin
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Hello everyone
I got diesel engine, and there is a backpressure applied in the exhaust. I know that when the exhaust pressure reaches approximately 6 atm. the engine stalls. The question is, how I'm able to calculate this precisely, especially when the backpressure didn't reach it's maximum value, for example 2 atm.
I've been told that it has to deal with mean effective pressure, but I couldn't find the right formula...
Thanks in advance
Oleg
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OlegZin said:
Hello everyone
I got diesel engine, and there is a backpressure applied in the exhaust. I know that when the exhaust pressure reaches approximately 6 atm. the engine stalls. The question is, how I'm able to calculate this precisely, especially when the backpressure didn't reach it's maximum value, for example 2 atm.
I've been told that it has to deal with mean effective pressure, but I couldn't find the right formula...
Thanks in advance
Oleg
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The formula for calculating the mean effective pressure of diesel and gas engines can be found here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_effective_pressure
 
While BMEP is an element of the issue, the effect of backpressure on the engine's performance goes far beyond that.

Even for a single piston diesel engine, which is the simplest example calculating the effect of the backpressure on the BMEP of a cylinder with the ratio of combustion air vs exhaust gas at each backpressure value is going to be very difficult and will vary depending upon throttle position and possibly engine speed as well.

For a multi-cylinder engines it gets even more difficult because you have to include the pumping losses on the filling and exhausting of all other cylinders during the compressing and firing stroke of one individual cylinder; and this effect will be different for engines with different numbers of cylinders.
 
Thanks all for taking part in this disscution. The answer has been found. Here what I've found:
Cycle with backpressure may look like this :
Indicator-Diagram-for-a-Four-Stroke-Cycle-Petrol-Engines.png

There are two loops in there, the top one is the indicated work that we get from the cycle (W_ind) and the bottom one is called pumping work (W_pump), its actually energy that we lose. By dividing the work by displacement volume we will get mean effective pressures: bmep - brake mean effective pressure ; pmep - pumping mean effective pressure.
the pmep may be approximated as : (p_exhaust - p_suction)*V_displacment
Since backpressure reduces the total work, the new work will this:
W(kW)=V [m^3 / sec] * (bmep - pmep) [ Pa]
 

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