Introductory physics force problems

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The discussion revolves around two introductory physics problems involving forces. The first problem concerns a safe being pushed up a ramp, requiring analysis of static and kinetic friction, while the second problem involves a traction apparatus applied to a leg, necessitating consideration of both horizontal and vertical force components.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the forces acting on the safe on the ramp, questioning the adequacy of static friction to maintain its position. They discuss the net force required to hold the safe in place and examine the setup of x and y components.
  • In the traction problem, participants analyze the horizontal and vertical components of the forces acting on the leg, questioning how to combine these components to find the total force exerted by the apparatus.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problems, offering various formulations of the forces involved and questioning the correctness of their setups. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need to consider both components of force in the traction problem, and there is ongoing exploration of the correct approach for the ramp problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the setup of the problems and the assumptions made about the forces acting on the safe and the leg. There is a recognition that static friction may not be sufficient to keep the safe at rest, and the need to clarify the vertical component of the traction force is emphasized.

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Homework Statement


1) http://i.imgur.com/JbK13.gif
The figure below depicts the forces acting on a safe being pushed up an ramp by movers, Fa. The mass of the safe is 500 kg, the coefficient of static friction along the incline is μs = 0.41 and the coefficient of kinetic friction along the incline is μk = 0.34. The ramp forms an angle θ = 23° above the horizontal. The top of the wall is h = 1.0 m off the floor. What force needs to be applied to hold the safe in place?

2) http://i.imgur.com/ZTYbR.gif
A young boy with a broken leg is undergoing traction. Find the magnitude of the total force of the traction apparatus applied to the leg, assuming the weight of the leg is 75 N and the weight hanging from the traction apparatus is also 75 N, θ = 28°.

Homework Equations


None were given to me, but this is what I think they are:
1)Fs = μs * N
w = mg

2) horizontal component of the traction force = 2 * 75 * cos (28) = 132 N

The Attempt at a Solution



1) static friction cannot hold the safe in place without having it slide back down

x components: -mg sin(theta) + Ffr = 0 = mg sin(theta) + uN
y components: N - mg cos(theta) = 0
N = mg cos(theta)

therefore F = -mg sin(theta) + u(mg cos(theta))
I don't think this is right...

2) horizontal component of the traction force = 2 * 75 * cos (28) = 132 N
magnitude of the force exerted on the femur by the lower leg = 132 N

I really appreciate any help you can give me! Thank you so much!
 
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Problem 2 is fine.

For problem 1: Assume that the safe is standing on the ramp without anyone touching it. As you say, static friction is not enough to keep it at rest. OK, but what is the net force acting on it if this were true? That is the force that needs to be applied up the ramp to keep it at rest.
 
For problem 2, the horizontal component isn't enough apparently. I don't know what the vertical component is though.

For problem 1, I have F = mg sin(theta) + u(mg cos(theta)). But I don't think that gets me the right answer. I don't know if I'm setting up my x and y components correctly.
 
inkandgold said:
For problem 2, the horizontal component isn't enough apparently. I don't know what the vertical component is though.
The vertical component is such that the leg is at rest. What forces act on the leg in the vertical direction?
inkandgold said:
For problem 1, I have F = mg sin(theta) + u(mg cos(theta)). But I don't think that gets me the right answer. I don't know if I'm setting up my x and y components correctly.
The two force components are in opposite directions; if one is positive, the other must be negative.
 
Problem 2. The forces that act on the leg at rest are the weight (mg).

Problem 1. Would it be F = mg sin(theta) - u(mg cos(theta))?
 
inkandgold said:
Problem 2. The forces that act on the leg at rest are the weight (mg).
That's only the vertical component exerted by the traction apparatus. To find the total or net force exerted by the apparatus you also need to consider its horizontal component.

Problem 1. Would it be F = mg sin(theta) - u(mg cos(theta))?
It would be that.
 
For problem 2, the horizontal component of the traction force = 2 * 75 * cos (28) = 132 N. Would it just be 132 N + mg?
 
inkandgold said:
For problem 2, the horizontal component of the traction force = 2 * 75 * cos (28) = 132 N. Would it just be 132 N + mg?
It would not. The two components are at right angles to each other. How do you find the resultant in this case?
 
Would it be sqrt (75^2 + 132^2) using the Pythagorean theorem?
 
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It would be that.
 
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Thank you so much! For the first problem would it be:

F = mg sin(theta) - u(mg cos(theta)) = 500*9.8 sin 23 - 0.41(500*9.8 cos 23) = 65.3 N?
 
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Yup.
 

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