News Is Fortis' Nationalization in Europe a Result of the Bank Storm?

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The discussion highlights the ongoing financial turmoil in Europe, particularly focusing on the nationalization of Fortis in the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg, as well as the UK mortgage lender Bradford & Bingley. Fortis, a major bank in Belgium and the Netherlands, is facing solvency issues primarily due to its acquisition of ABN-AMRO and the broader credit crisis affecting global markets. Concerns are raised about public panic potentially exacerbating the situation, as banks rely heavily on customer trust and stability. The conversation also references the nationalization of Northern Rock as an early indicator of the credit crunch, emphasizing the interconnectedness of the global banking industry and how problems in one region can ripple through others. Overall, the sentiment suggests that while there are challenges, the situation may not be as dire for Fortis as perceived, and understanding the underlying issues is crucial to maintaining confidence in the banking system.
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It seems that the storm has finally reached the shores of Europe. Fortis is partly nationalized in Holland, Belgium and Luxemburg - I'm a customer with Fortis, btw. It is the biggest bank in Belgium, and one of the biggest in Holland.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7641132.stm
 
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Mortgage lender Bradford & Bingley (B&B) is to be nationalised, the government has confirmed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7641193.stm

I wonder how much bad debt they have in the US?

It appears UK/EU economies are similarly over-leveraged as is the US.
 
I'm way out of my league her, but this is my understanding as told in de media:

Actually there seems not to be so much wrong with Fortis at all. It's just a question of thrust and faith. Fortis bought the Dutch ABN-AMRO bank but now when it is time to produce the cash for that, there were some solvability problems due to crises elsewhere in the world. So Fortis finds itself unable to cope with the agreement and is working on solutions. The thing what would hurt the most is that people don't understand this and start panicking, leaving the bank. And of course, a bank without customers is no bank.

So proceed, carry on, nothing to see here.
 
"finally reached"? B&B is the second bank to be nationalised.
The nationalisation of Northern Rock in February was one of the first signs of the credit crunch. The banking industry is so international nowadays that severe problems in one country will immediately affect whole developed world.
 
Ironically it's not clear there was anything actually bad about Northern Rocks portfolio in terms of bad mortgages. It just needed short term credit at a time when the city was suddenly refusing to lend cab fare, the request to the bank of England for credit caused a panic and a run on the bank.
 
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