Is Newton's Third Law Violated in Electromagnetism?

In summary, for long-range acting forces like electro-magnetic ones, the system's momentum may not be instantly swapped over to the other object, but instead carried by the electromagnetic field. This violates Newton's third law, but still retains momentum conservation for the system as a whole. Additionally, it is possible to formulate classical electrodynamics as an action at a distance theory rather than a field theory.
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Hi,

I was wondering, is Newton's third law true? Let's say I've an electromagnet turned on at a constant intensity for a sufficiently long time for the field to have reached a point some distance away. At that point is another electromagnet, but turned off. Now I turn on the second electromagnet. Immediately it's attracted to the first electromagnet. But before the field created by the second magnet can reach the first electromagnet, I turn it off. So when the magnetic field of the second magnet finally reaches the first electromagnet, it's not a magnetic dipole anymore and thus won't feel a force. The overall case is that there is no balancing parter to the force felt by the second electromagnet. This seems to be a violation of Newton's third law. What is happening here?

Thanks.

Molu
 
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Newton's 3.law is true for contact forces.

For long-range acting forces like the electro-magnetic ones, some of a system's momentum (lost from one of the object) may be carried by the electromagnetic field, rather than being instantly swapped over to the other object of the system (i.e, the instant swapping of momentum pieces between a system's objects is the essence of Newton's 3.law).

This violates Newton's 3.law, but retains momentum conservation for the system as a whole.
 
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Newton's third law is only valid for contact forces; the law assumes instantaneous changes in momentum.

Edit: Arildno got there first... :redface:
 
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So, when the momentum imparted to the second magnet has a counterpart, but instead of being on an object it is being carried away by the propagating field?

Incidentally, Griffiths writes that it's possible to formulate classical electrodynamics as an action at a distance theory rather than a field theory. How would that work?

Thanks.

Molu
 

1. Is Newton's third law always true?

Yes, Newton's third law is a fundamental principle in physics and is always true in any situation where there is an interaction between two objects.

2. What is Newton's third law of motion?

Newton's third law states that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. This means that for every force applied by one object on another, the second object will apply an equal force in the opposite direction on the first object.

3. Can Newton's third law be applied to all types of forces?

Yes, Newton's third law applies to all types of forces, including contact forces (such as pushing or pulling) and non-contact forces (such as gravitational or magnetic forces).

4. Does Newton's third law only apply to motion?

No, Newton's third law applies to all types of interactions between objects, including those that do not involve motion. For example, if you place a book on a table, the book exerts a downward force on the table and the table exerts an equal and opposite force on the book, even though the book may not be moving.

5. Can Newton's third law be violated?

No, Newton's third law has been extensively tested and has been shown to be true in all physical situations. However, there are some situations where it may seem like the law is being violated, but this is due to other factors such as friction or external forces.

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