Is Pi Finite? A Calculus Question

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The discussion revolves around the concept of volume of a solid of revolution formed by rotating the function y=1/x around the x-axis, specifically focusing on the implications of the volume being equal to π and the nature of π as an irrational number.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the finite volume of the solid and the irrational nature of π, questioning how a finite volume can be represented by an infinite decimal.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the definition of "finite" in this context, suggesting that it refers to convergence to a real value rather than implying that the value itself is not infinite. There appears to be a productive exchange of ideas, with at least one participant expressing understanding by the end of the discussion.

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Participants are navigating the concepts of limits, convergence, and the properties of irrational numbers within the framework of calculus, while also addressing potential misconceptions about the nature of finite versus infinite values.

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I'm relatively new to calculus, and this question was bugging me, so I have decided to ask it.
We have the function [tex]y=1/x[/tex] with domain [tex]x\geq1[/tex] and we rotate the curve around the x-axis in order to form a solid of revolution. (Gabriel's Horn)
The integral is [tex]V=\pi\int^{z}_{1}1/x^2 dx[/tex] and we evaluate to [tex]V=\pi(1-1/z)[/tex]
Take the limit as z approaches infinity: [tex]\lim_{z \to \infty}\pi(1-1/z)=\pi[/tex]

Apparently my teacher says that the volume is a finite amount, which is to say [tex]\pi[/tex]. However isn't pi an irrational number? Meaning that its digits keep going without end? If pi is not finite, then how can the volume be finite? Wouldn't the volume keep getting minutely closer to pi as x tends to infinity?

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What he means when he says it is "finite" is that it converges to a real value (such as [itex]\pi[/itex]), instead of diverging to [itex]\infty[/itex].
 
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Hi tpingt! Welcome to PF! :smile:
tpingt said:
… Take the limit as z approaches infinity: [tex]\lim_{z \to \infty}\pi(1-1/z)=\pi[/tex]

Apparently my teacher says that the volume is a finite amount, which is to say [tex]\pi[/tex]. However isn't pi an irrational number? Meaning that its digits keep going without end? If pi is not finite, then how can the volume be finite? Wouldn't the volume keep getting minutely closer to pi as x tends to infinity?

Yes, π is irrational, and so its digits keep going without end and without repetition …

but that doesn't make it infinite …

it doesn't even make it more than 4 …

or more than 3.2 …

or more than 3.15 …

or … well, you get the idea. :smile:
 
Thanks for the great explanations guys, I understand it now! :)
 

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