Is there a difference in polarity between maleic acid and fumeric acid?

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In the discussion, a user raises a question about the Rf values of maleic acid and fumaric acid, noting that maleic acid has an Rf of 1.4 and fumaric acid has an Rf of 4.5. There is confusion regarding the interpretation of Rf values, as it is typically reported within a 0 to 1 range, suggesting that the values provided may be incorrect. It is clarified that Rf is not a property of a solvent but rather a characteristic of the solvent-substance-stationary phase combination. Additionally, it is noted that neither maleic nor fumaric acid is a liquid at room temperature, indicating they are not solvents in this context. The discussion concludes with an explanation of polarity, stating that fumaric acid has lesser polarity than maleic acid due to the cancellation of polarities from its two carboxylic acid groups, while maleic acid retains a higher overall polarity.
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I was wondering because I did a TLC experiment where maleic acid has a RF of 1.4 and fumeric acid has an Rf of 4.5. Everywhere says that a longer Rf means that the solvent is less polar than a smaller Rf solvent. However I read somewhere else that Maleic acid has the same polarity as fumeric acid.

thanks for the help guys
 
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As you were already told elsewhere, Rf is typically reported as belonging to 0..1 range, so the values you have listed look strange.

Rf is not a property of a solvent, it is a value characteristic of a solvent/substance/stationary phase triplet.

Neither maleic nor fumaric (note the spelling) acid are liquid at room temperature, so neither of them was a solvent here.

Hard to answer the question, when there is so much confusing data in your post.
 
Fumaric acid has lesser polarity than maleic acid as in fumaric acid polarities of the two-COOH groups get canceled so there is polarity only due to the two -H whereas in maleic acid the polarities of the two -COOH groups get added along with polarities of the two -H
 
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