Is this steel structure stable/ready to build?

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The discussed steel structure for an outdoor rain-proof area is deemed unstable, particularly due to potential wind forces that could cause it to rotate. Modifications are recommended, including enhancing ground anchorage and addressing local stresses at the concrete foundation to prevent cracking or structural failure. Suggestions include adding more concrete on one side, adjusting the arch beam for better support, and simplifying the design by replacing struts with a single strut. It is emphasized that a final design should be reviewed by a structural engineer to ensure safety. Overall, achieving a design similar to a well-engineered bus shelter arch is advised for optimal stability.
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Hi,

My father has been dedicating a lot of his time to making our soon-to-be home as "rewarding" (I guess) and as nice as possible for when its done. The new side project would be this. It is supposed to be some rain-proof place for a bench/table outside.
There are going to be three (more or less if needed) structures like the one in the picture, parallel to each other, with some sort of material (haven't figured it out yet) to make a nice rain-proof spot for a bench or a table.
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What inspired him:
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My question to you is: does this structure look stable, ready to build? are there any improvements that can be done?
Neither of us work with CAD or software like this and our budget is quite limited for this project, so asking people around is pretty much all the expertise we're going to get.

Thank you.
 
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Frame shown in your sketch is unstable . If strong wind came from the left the whole construction would rotate clockwise .

Frame shown in bus stop picture has a rigid frame with effective ground anchorage . You need to modify your frame so as to have similar ground anchorage .

You should have your final design checked by a structural engineer .
 
Wouldn't the weight be enough for it not to rotate? and it is also anchored with those two steel beams (there's no rotating mechanism at the bottom). Also the house sits about 3m to the left of the structure.
This is as far as I can get with the expertise sadly, so any further opinion on what I just said is much appreciated.

So as you have addressed the wind problem, should I assume that the materials could hold the structure as it sits right now? (no bending and such?)
 
The problem with this structure is that near the point where two steel tubes are anchored to the concrete foundation, very large local internal stresses will appear, due to wind from the left. That may have two consequences: (a) local stresses in the concrete would be so high that the concrete may develop cracks, and eventually the anchorage would fail; or (b) normal stresses in the tubes (near the anchorage) may exceed the yield stress for steel; as a result, the tubes would bend, and the whole construction (as mentioned in another comment above) would rotate clockwise (local buckling of the tubes may also occur).
 
Maybe something like this :

Put down some more concrete on the right hand side of base .

Bring the right hand end of the arch beam down to the level of the new concrete and arrange a firm anchorage . Either bury an extension of the beam deep in the concrete or use steel base plates and foundation bolts .

Remove all the struts as drawn . Replace with one simple strut .

Draw that out and we'll see if further work is needed .

I must stress though that whatever design you end up with has to be checked by a structural engineer for safety .
 
Replacing the steel cable by a steel bar would help as well. Don't underestimate wind.
 
You would end up with a stronger and simpler design if you reduced the radius of curvature of the arch beam .

Leave the left end where it is and pull the right hand end over onto the existing concrete base .

Note that the arch beam in that bus shelter is very well designed - if you could get somewhere near the same shape that would be ideal .
 
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