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JFET Calculations

  1. Mar 25, 2017 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    With reference to the diagram attached.

    i) What would be a suitable value for Rg and why
    ii) If the drain current is 2mA, determine a suitable Q-point on the mutual characteristics and hence obtain a value for Rs


    3. The attempt at a solution
    i) I chose a 2.2M ohm resistor and said that the value of the resistor has to be this large in order to keep the impedance high. Is this correct?

    ii) I don't understand how to start this question as I don't have enough variables. I have the Vds and the drain current which is the same for the source current, but how do I go from there? Is there a way to get the Vgs from the mutual characteristics graph?
     

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  3. Mar 25, 2017 #2

    lewando

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    Yes, it keeps the input impedance high. In this particular method of biasing the JFET, the exact value of RG is generally specified as "large".

    Yes. You are constrained to have ID of 2 mA on the y-axis, so what is the corresponding VGS on the x-axis (to be on the VDS = 3 V curve)?
     
  4. Mar 25, 2017 #3
    So if I take Vgs at say 1.4V? How would that allow me to get the source voltage?
     
  5. Mar 25, 2017 #4
    Would it be Vs = Vg - Vgs, so that would be Vs = 0 - 1.4V, making the source voltage 1.4V, making Rs = 1.4V/2mA = 700 ohms.

    Then...
    Vd = Vdd - Vds - Vs = 12 - 3 - 1.4 = 7.6V, so that make Rd = 3800 ohms
     
  6. Mar 25, 2017 #5

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    Some signage issues. VS does equal VG - VGS, but I think VGS is really -1.4 V (per the graph--note the odd leftward-increasing x-axis).

    So you would properly say VS = 0 - (-1.4 V).

    Some notation issues: VD is actually VDS + VS.

    I think you meant to say: [the voltage drop across RD] = VDD - VDS - VS
     
  7. Mar 25, 2017 #6
    I have the equation here saying Vds = Vdd - Vd - Vs, which is wrong is should say Vrd, that's where I got messed up.

    Thanks for your help on that

    edit: does Vs = Vrs?

    I have a couple of other questions to work out:
    calculate the mutual conductance at drain current 2mA and then proceed the calculate the amplification factor

    for mutual conductance would it be gm = Id / Vgs = 2mA / 1.4 = 1.43 mΩ−1
    for amplification factor µ = Rd x gm = 3800 x 1.43x10^-3 = 5.43 dB
     
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  8. Mar 25, 2017 #7

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    The equation for mutual conductance, gm, also called transconductance (a more modern term), is not ID / VGS. It is ΔID / ΔVGS. Which is like the slope of the characteristic curve at the operating point, previously established. More precisely, when the circuit is driven by a small AC signal, that results in a value for ΔVGS. From that you can get ΔID (graphically from the curve). Since you don't know anything about the applied input signal, the slope is a good substitute.

    For the amplification factor, or gain, your equation looks right, but the result of your stated equation is not in dB. You can represent the result in dB if you want, but that is another step.
     
  9. Mar 26, 2017 #8
    I did Id = Idss (1- (Vgs/Vp))^2, so Id = 4mA (1- (-1.4/-6))^2 = 2.37mA

    Then referring to the graph using 2.37mA, Vgs would = -1 so transconductance = 2.37mA/1 = 2.37m mho? Is that correct, I watched a few videos and took a go at it. I'm laying in bed rn at 6am trying to figure this out so I'm not 100% sure, haha.
     
  10. Mar 26, 2017 #9

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    That equation is for the "mutual characteristic" graph that you attached in your OP. If you compare that with this (a plot of the equation):
    upload_2017-3-26_6-15-56.png
    You might get different numbers, visually. For the above plot, 2 mA looks like it corresponds to -1.75 V. Whereas the image in your OP indicates, what, -1.4 V?
    So pick one (the equation or the image) and stick to it and don't jump between them.

    Again, transconductance is ΔID / ΔVGS (not ID / VGS). It is the slope of the line at your 2 mA operating point.
     
  11. Mar 26, 2017 #10
    So how do I find the change in Id and Vgs? I'm confused, if it says in the question to work out the mutual conductance at 2mA, then the change in Id is 0? I don't get it.
    I'm looking at this separate question attached trying to work this out and it tells you the change in Id and Vgs, but how do I go about working this out for my question.

    Sorry, it's probably simple and I'm just not understanding it.

    Thanks
     

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  12. Mar 26, 2017 #11

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    You can answer the new attached question because they give you ΔID and ΔVGS. But you don't have the same information for your OP question. So, two ways to proceed:

    1) Realize that what you are looking for is the slope of mutual characteristic curve at the bias point (interchangeable with Q-Point). Can you get this slope? If so, you are done.

    or

    2a) Inject a small signal about your VGS bias point. Say, 1 V peak-to-peak.
    2b) This will give you two new points at VGS,bias + 0.5 V (blue point) and VGS,bias - 0.5 V (red point).
    2c) From these 2 points on the curve, you can get the corresponding ID values.
    2d) You have ΔVGS = 1 V, because that is what you have injected.
    2e) And you also have ΔID from what you did in 2c.

    Here is an image stolen from the internet to drive the point home:
    upload_2017-3-26_10-18-52.png
    It's fuzzy because it's free!
     
  13. Mar 26, 2017 #12
    upload_2017-3-26_19-27-39.png

    so is this right:

    if I vary the Vgs 1V, it would make Vgs go to 2.4 from 1.4, which would then make Id = 1.3mA looking at the graph, so the change in Id would be 0.7mA with the change in Vgs being 1V, so the answer using the equation would be 0.7m mho? yes?
     
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  14. Mar 26, 2017 #13

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    So...your result is close, but accuracy (and your method) could be improved. The main source of error is the fact that you are not varying VGS about the operating point (or bias point, or Q-point). You are deviating from instruction 2b. You are using points at VGS,bias (green point, sorry was black in post #11--changed for consitency...) and VGS,bias -1 V (orange point).
    upload_2017-3-26_15-20-58.png

    The slope at that point (the red point) is going to be slightly flatter than the green point. However, if you rounded your result to 1 mS (use millisiemens now-- in 1881 the mho was replaced by siemens), you would have a good enough answer, considering you have 1 significant digit to work with.
     
  15. Mar 26, 2017 #14
    upload_2017-3-26_20-22-27.png

    ΔVGS = 0.2 V,

    on graph ΔID = 0.2mA when ΔVGS = 0.2 V,

    mutual conductance = ΔID / ΔVGS = 0.2mA / 0.2V = 1m mho

    is that a good answer?
     
  16. Mar 26, 2017 #15

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    We are now on the same page. Alright!
     
  17. Mar 26, 2017 #16
    thanks for your help.

    going back a few posts when I said about the amplification factor µ = Rd x gm = 3800 x 1x10^-3 = 3.8, just to clarify, is that right? and what would it be measured in, I keep seeing dB, but as you said in a previous post that it would take an extra step to allow it to be dB so what is my answer measured in?
     
  18. Mar 26, 2017 #17

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    Yes, I would say so. Thanks for sticking this one out.
     
  19. Mar 26, 2017 #18
    what would be the unit for amplification factor, without going to extra step to get dB
     
  20. Mar 26, 2017 #19

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    I thought you just said that μ = 3.8. Looks right. That is an amplification "factor", something that you would multiply your input voltage (in V) to get an output voltage (in V). The factor is unitless. You could represent it as a "dB" if you want. Want to give that a try?
     
  21. Mar 26, 2017 #20
    so that would make the Vo = 3.8 x 12 = 45.6V? and you're saying that I can if I want put it as 3.8dB?
     
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