Junior-level Modern Physics textbook suggestions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around recommendations for a junior-level Modern Physics textbook suitable for preparing for senior-level Quantum Mechanics. Participants share their experiences and preferences regarding various texts, considering factors such as mathematical rigor, content coverage, and usability.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a Modern Physics textbook that balances mathematical rigor with comprehensibility, citing concerns about the high cost and poor reviews of the required text, "Modern Physics" by Tipler.
  • Another participant recommends Rohlf's book as a suitable option, suggesting it meets the desired level of mathematical rigor.
  • Alonso and Finn's "Fundamental Physics Volume 3" is mentioned, with a caution against purchasing "Physics" by the same author due to availability and cost issues. The participant notes that Shankar may be beneficial for those with a strong math background.
  • A different perspective suggests avoiding Modern Physics textbooks altogether, arguing that they often oversimplify concepts and omit important details. Instead, they recommend reading the first few chapters of Griffiths for quantum mechanics and Schroeder for thermodynamics/statistical mechanics.
  • A participant shares their positive experience with Rohlf's book, highlighting its mathematical rigor and historical context, while also noting some typographical errors and logical jumps in the examples provided.
  • Another participant echoes the recommendation to read Griffiths and Schroeder, asserting that this approach may lead to a better understanding of the material compared to reading Tipler.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the suitability of various textbooks, with some advocating for Rohlf and others recommending alternatives like Griffiths and Schroeder. There is no consensus on a single best textbook, and disagreements about the effectiveness of Tipler persist.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific prerequisites and content areas for the Modern Physics course, which may influence their textbook recommendations. Some concerns about the quality and clarity of certain texts are noted, but no definitive resolutions are provided.

The_Sarco
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Hello All,

I am looking for suggestions for a junior-level Modern Physics textbook to read over the summer for the purpose of preparing me to take senior-level Quantum Mechanics in the fall. I have a solid Math background so a text that would possesses some level of mathematical rigorousness would be great.

I am asking this question because the required text for the course, "Modern Physics" by Tipler (6th edition), has a high price tag currently and most of the reviews for it have not been so stellar thus far. The prerequisites for the Modern Physics class at my university are General Physics with Calculus III (optics, relativity, waves, quantum effects are covered), either an Intro Differential Equations or Intro Linear Algebra course, and Special Relativity, all which I have under my belt.

Here's what to be covered in the course: "Kinetic theory, Blackbody radiation, Quantum physics: wave packets, the uncertainty principle, Schroedinger's equation and solutions for simple systems, application to atomic, nuclear, and solid-state physics." Thank you in advance for your assistance!
 
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Rohlf is what you are looking for
 
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Alonso and Finn, Fundamental Physics Volume 3. Caution. Do not buy Physics by the same author. Book is quite pricey and hard to find. There is a print on demand on abebooks.com from the indian market. Not sure about the quality. But this is probably the best introduction to quantum. My friend took an honors course which used Shankar. Granted, she had the math background. Linear, Calculus, Differentials, Probability. Not sure if Shankar would be useful.

I think Tipler sucks. It is a generic physics book. Maybe get an older edition?
 
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From personal experience, I would recommend that you avoid "modern physics" textbooks altogether. By trying to dumb things down to a lower level than necessary, a lot of important details get omitted or stated in weird ways. Avoid Tipler, and just read the first few chapters of Griffiths for the quantum part of the class and Schroeder for the thermodynamics/stat mech part of the class. The total amount of reading is probably about the same as reading Tipler, but you'll understand the material 100x better. Probably a good idea to get a head start on Griffiths if you're taking quantum later anyways.
 
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Thanks to all of you for your suggestions! I decided to buy Rohlf's book and I have not been disappointed by it yet. It has a solid level of mathematical rigorousness in deriving the key formulas, explains historical experiments and results that have led to the important discoveries in Modern Physics, and provides plenty of examples to help one see how the formulas and concepts are applied. However, I have noticed a few mistypes and omissions in the book, chiefly present in the worked examples. Also it seems to make jumps from one calculation to the next, as the author would assume you automatically can make the leap in logic without seeing it written down in the text. Still a solid book, even if the examples are lacking details here and there...
 
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just read the first few chapters of Griffiths for the quantum part of the class and Schroeder for the thermodynamics/stat mech part of the class. The total amount of reading is probably about the same as reading Tipler, but you'll understand the material 100x better. Probably a good idea to get a head start on Griffiths if you're taking quantum later anyways.

↑↑ this. But if Rohlf works - use it.
 

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