Kinematics of Euler Bernoulli and Timoshenko Beam Elements

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The discussion focuses on the differences between Euler-Bernoulli and Timoshenko beam theories in analyzing beam behavior. Euler-Bernoulli theory assumes that cross sections remain perpendicular to the neutral axis, while Timoshenko theory accounts for shear deformation, leading to additional shear strain. The participants clarify the derivation of certain equations and highlight the implications of using a left-handed coordinate system in the schematic. Practical limitations of Euler-Bernoulli theory are discussed, particularly in cases where shear flexibility is significant, suggesting that Timoshenko theory is preferable for complex or composite beams. Ultimately, for modern applications, especially with finite element analysis, the Timoshenko formulation is recommended for its comprehensive accuracy.
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Folks,

Trying to get some appreciation for what is going on in the attached schematic of 1)Euler bernoulli and 2) Timoshenko beam elements.

For the first one, ie the top picture, how was ##u- z \frac{dw}{dx}## arrived at?

thanks
 

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dw/dx is the slope of the beam, which is assumed to be small. So dw/dx is also the angle the beam has rotated, in radians.

The top picture (Euler beam theory) assumes that cross sections of the beam stay perpendicular to the neutral axis. So the angle between a cross section and the vertical is the same as the slope of the beam.

The picture is (stupidly, IMHO) drawn with a "left handed" coordinate system (z and w positive downwards not upwards) which is where the minus signs come from.

In the bottom picture (Timoshenko beam theory) plane sections of the beam do not stay perpendicular to the neutral axis, so there is an extra shear strain (measured by angle gamma) involved.
 
AlephZero said:
dw/dx is the slope of the beam, which is assumed to be small. So dw/dx is also the angle the beam has rotated, in radians.
Ok

AlephZero said:
The top picture (Euler beam theory) assumes that cross sections of the beam stay perpendicular to the neutral axis. So the angle between a cross section and the vertical is the same as the slope of the beam.
I understand this.

AlephZero said:
The picture is (stupidly, IMHO) drawn with a "left handed" coordinate system (z and w positive downwards not upwards) which is where the minus signs come from.
Ok, how does the ##z\frac{dw}{dx}## come about? Is this equivalent to Z times the cos of the angle?

AlephZero said:
In the bottom picture (Timoshenko beam theory) plane sections of the beam do not stay perpendicular to the neutral axis, so there is an extra shear strain (measured by angle gamma) involved.
Thanks
 
bugatti79 said:
Ok, how does the ##z\frac{dw}{dx}## come about? Is this equivalent to Z times the cos of the angle?

dw/dx is the sine of the angle (sin θ = θ for small angles) but you are right about the basic idea.
 
What practical examples are there where one shouldn't use Euler-Bernouilli to track beam deflection etc. Would it for applications of plastic loading?

Thanks
 
bugatti79 said:
What practical examples are there where one shouldn't use Euler-Bernouilli to track beam deflection etc.

When the flexibility in shear is significant compared with the flexibility in pure bending.

For a rectangular section beam, Euler is OK when length/depth > 10 (some people say > 20).

For a more complicated criss sections, and/or composite beams made from several materials, you have to consider each case on its own merits.

With computer software like finite element analysis, you might as wel always use the Timoshenko formulation. Even if the correction is neglibile, it doesn't cause any numerical problems to include it.
 
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