Kinematics particle velocity problem

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The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving the velocity and acceleration of a particle moving in a specific manner. The original poster is studying a problem from a past AP test that requires determining the y-component of velocity and acceleration based on given conditions for the x-component of velocity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the application of the chain rule in the context of relating dy/dt to dy/dx and dx/dt. They express confusion about the derivation of the y-component of velocity and acceleration from the given information.
  • Some participants provide clarification on the chain rule and its rearrangement, suggesting that writing intermediate steps may help in understanding the relationships between the variables.
  • Others question the interpretation of acceleration and its relationship to velocity in the context of the problem.

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The original poster notes that they are using this problem for AP test preparation and expresses difficulty in interpreting the mathematical expressions presented in the problem statement. There is an indication that the problem may contain complex relationships that require further exploration.

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Homework Statement



This is from the 1983 ap test. I'm using it to study the concepts but so far it only confused me more.

It goes:

A particle moves so that the x-component of its velocity has the constant value vx = C; that is, x = Ct

1. Determine the y-component of the particle's velocity as a function of x.

2. Determine the y-cpmponent of the particle's acceleration.

Part b.

Suppose, instead, that the particle moves along the same parabola with a velocity whose x-component is given by vx = C/(a+x2)1/2

3. Show that the particle's speed is constant in this case.



The Attempt at a Solution



I have the solution, but it doesn't make any sense to me. For the first question they showed dy/dt = (dy/dx)(dx/dt) They said it's the chain rule, but where did that come from? I thought I knew the chain rule until I saw that. Where did t come from?

I can't figure out where the answer to the 2nd question is from either. They put ay = (dvx/dt) = (d/dt)(C2t) = C2
I can't figure out where that came from either.


Number 3 confuses me even more than the previous 2. This is what they did:

v = sqrt(vx2 + vy2)

vy = dx/dt = (dy/dx)(dx/dt) = xvx

v = sqrt((vx2)(1 + x2)) = sqrt( (C2/ 1+x2)(1 + x2)) = C


If you have access to 1983 mech #1 everything looks much better than what I typed.


Can someone please explain all this to me? I'm trying to prepare for the ap test by looking at old problems, but so this one is written in hieroglyphics and I could really use some help.

And please explain how the chain rule makes dy/dx = (dy/dx)(dx/dt)



Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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Comments on the chain rule:

[tex]\frac{dy}{dt}[/tex] may be written as [tex]\frac{dy}{dt}\frac{dx}{dx}[/tex]. Rearranging we get [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}\frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]. Does this make a bit more sense by writing in the middle step?

For acceleration [tex]a = \frac{dv}{dt}[/tex] and velocity is [tex]v \frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]. We put these together by substituting v to get [tex]a = \frac{d<sup>2</sup>x}{dt<sup>2</sup>}[/tex].
 
Clairefucious said:
Comments on the chain rule:

That last formula was meant to be

[tex]a = \frac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}}[/tex]
 
Thanks for the chain rule explanation. It makes a lot more sense now.
 

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