Lengthening Pendulum Homework: Working with Equation 18.1

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The discussion revolves around solving a homework problem related to a pendulum, specifically using equation 18.1. Participants identify a misunderstanding regarding the treatment of the length (l) as a constant, clarifying that l is actually a function of time. A suggestion is made to replace time derivatives with respect to l using the relation d/dt = v d/dl. This approach aims to resolve the confusion regarding the term 2 d theta / dl. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly interpreting variables in dynamic equations.
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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


Working with equation 18.1 i found that
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However, this obviously is not the equation in 18.3.
I found a source talking about this problem, and they get a similar equation
http://file.scirp.org/pdf/JAMP_2014031310562629.pdf
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I have no clue where to go with this problem. Where is the 2 d theata / dl term coming from?
 
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dykuma said:

The Attempt at a Solution


Working with equation 18.1 i found that
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Looks like you treated ##l## as a constant. But ##l## is a function of time.
 
TSny said:
Looks like you treated ##l## as a constant. But ##l## is a function of time.
Hmm. I was assuming that it was a constant before I made the substitution, I see the flaw in my logic there. So then I need to leave it in this form
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But I am not familiar with how to treat L in this situation.
 
In the expression ##\frac{d}{dt} \left(l^2 \cdot \frac{d\theta}{dt} \right)## it might help to replace the time derivatives with derivatives with respect to ##l## using your relation ##\frac{d}{dt} = v \frac{d}{dl}##.
 
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