# Lever problem

1. Dec 15, 2008

### Ignoramus

1. A pair of brothers have a 20kg, 3.5m plank they want to use as a lever. They use a fulcrum which is 0.75m from the load mass. If they push down one end of the lever with a force of 210N, then they can move the Load mass away. What is the upward force exerted on the large mass? If the mechanical advantage is defined as a ratio of resistance force compared to the effort force, how much mechanical advantage is gained by the lever?

2. Relevant equations
Fede= FLdL

3. I used the 210N as the Fe, and 2.75 as the de set equal to FL multiplied by 0.75 for dL Then I solve for the FL. I'm not sure if the answer I get is the upward force, though I would assume it is....As for the second question, I have no idea where to begin on that. Thanks!

2. Dec 15, 2008

### LowlyPion

It may be a little more complicated.

The plank has mass. And assuming it has uniform density over its length then you have an unbalanced weight just from the plank alone don't you?

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3. Dec 15, 2008

### PhanthomJay

you forgot to consider the torque due to the weight of the 20 kg lever itself. What does the sum of torque equation tell you about the direction of the force at the end you label as "L"? Mechanical advantage is just F_L / F_e.

4. Dec 15, 2008

### Ignoramus

Our teacher is notorious for giving us variables that are not needed, so I'm doubting the mass of the plank matters. Plus the fact that we've never had to mess with the mass of the lever itself. Although, the mass is 210 N, so dividing by 9.8,you find the mass of the load is greater than the plank.

I have no idea what the sum of torque equation is, since we just started on simple machines :\

5. Dec 15, 2008

### LowlyPion

Unfortunately it does matter, the reputation of your teacher not withstanding.

The effect is sizable. Because basically you have the distance of the center of mass acting at a distance from the fulcrum. That looks like 20*9.8 N acting at about a meter from the fulcrum.

6. Dec 15, 2008

### Ignoramus

So...what should I do?

Help :(

7. Dec 15, 2008

### LowlyPion

Draw a diagram.