Loss due to contraction vs loss due to expansion

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The discussion centers on the formulas for frictional pipe loss due to contraction and expansion. The formula for loss due to contraction is kc(V^2)/2g, while the loss due to expansion is expressed as (Va^2)-(Vb^2)/2g. The confusion arises from the unpredictable nature of pressure changes in both scenarios, despite the different formulas. It is noted that friction loss during expansion is greater than during contraction due to flow separation. Understanding these dynamics is crucial for accurate modeling of pressure changes in pipes.
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why the formula of fricitional pipe loss due to contraction is given by formula : kc(V^2)/2g ?
why the formula of fricitional pipe loss due to contraction can't be formula : (Va^2)-(Vb^2)/2g ? ,where Va= velocity at inlet , Vb = velocity at outlet ?

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in this link , i was told that the pressure varies in an unknown and unpredictable way. but , for pipe loss due to expansion , the formula is
(Va^2)-(Vb^2)/2g ? ,where Va= velocity at inlet , Vb = velocity at outlet ?this make me confused... isn't the pressure also varies in an unknown and unpredictable way in enlarged pipe ?
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-formula-for-the-loss-of-head-in-a-sudden-contraction-of-a-pipe-presented-in-terms-of-velocity-head-in-the-smaller-pipe
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How would you go about modelling the pipe diameter change effect on pressure?
 
Simon Bridge said:
Note: Quora is not a scientific source.
How would you go about modelling the pipe diameter change effect on pressure?
When the diamter small, velocity high, pressure low
 
I was told that the friction loss due to expansion is bigger than the friction loss due to contraction because of flow separation , is it true ? why ?
 
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