Maximum charge on the plates of a capacitor

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The discussion focuses on calculating the maximum charge on the plates of a capacitor using Faraday's Law and circuit analysis. The derived formula for maximum charge, q_max, is found to be negative, which raises a question about its physical significance. The calculations involve integrating the electromotive force and applying Kirchhoff's loop rule, leading to the conclusion that the upper plate should be positively charged while the lower plate is negatively charged. Participants are prompted to verify the correctness of the solution and the choice of the surface area vector in the magnetic flux calculation. The overall inquiry centers on the implications of obtaining a negative maximum charge value.
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Homework Statement
A square circuit of side ##a=10cm## with a resistance ##R=1k\Omega## and a capacitor ##C=100nF## is in a region of space where there is a ##\vec{B}## field perpendicular to circuit, pointing inward, which changes according to ##\frac{dB}{dt}=-0.01 T/s##
Find the maximum charge on the plates of the capacitor and which plate is going to be positively charged and which one is going to be negatively charged.
Relevant Equations
##\oint_{\Gamma}\vec{E}\cdot d\vec{l}=-\frac{d\phi(\vec{B})}{dt}##
What I have done:

The electromotive force due to Faraday's Law is: ##\mathcal{E}=-\frac{d\phi(\vec{B})}{dt}=\frac{d}{dt}(Ba^2)=a^2\frac{dB}{dt}=-10^{-4}V.##
In the circuit, going around the loop in a clockwise fashion:
##\oint_{\Gamma}\vec{E}\cdot d\vec{l}=-\frac{d\phi(\vec{B})}{dt}\Rightarrow iR+\frac{q}{C}=\mathcal{E}\Rightarrow \frac{dq}{dt}R+\frac{q}{C}=\mathcal{E}\Rightarrow \frac{dq}{dt}=-\frac{q-C\mathcal{E}}{RC}##
##\Rightarrow \int_{0}^{q}\frac{d\bar{q}}{\bar{q}-C\mathcal{E}}=-\int_{0}^{t}\frac{d\bar{t}}{RC}\Rightarrow [\ln(\bar{q}-C\mathcal{E})]_{0}^{q}=-\frac{t}{RC}\Rightarrow \ln\left(-\frac{q}{C\mathcal{E}}+1\right)=-\frac{t}{RC}\Rightarrow q(t)=C\mathcal{E}(1-e^{-\frac{t}{RC}})## so ##q_{max}=C\mathcal{E}=\left(100\cdot 10^{-9}\cdot (-10^{-4})\right) C=-10^{-11} C##.

Since the current goes around in a clockwise fashion, the upper plate should be charge positively and the bottom one negatively.

Now, I have a doubt: does it make sense that ##q_{max}## comes out negative?

Other than that, is my solution correct? Thanks
 

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Remember: ##\Phi=\int \vec B \cdot d\vec S##. How did you choose ##d\vec S##? Check signs
 
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Remember: ##\Phi=\int \vec B \cdot d\vec S##. How did you choose ##d\vec S##? Check signs
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