Minimum Orbital Radius Around Black Holes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of minimum orbital radius around black holes and the implications for other massive bodies, particularly in relation to the speed of light. Participants explore the idea of a minimum orbit and its relation to the photon sphere.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the minimum orbit around a black hole is at a radius of ##R_{min}=3R_s##, where ##R_s## is the Schwarzschild Radius, due to the requirement of exceeding the speed of light for stable orbits.
  • Another participant suggests that a similar minimum orbit exists for any massive body, questioning what the radius would be if one were to orbit the Earth at the speed of light.
  • There is a reference to the photon sphere around a black hole, with a participant indicating it is at a radius of ##r=1.5R_s##.
  • A later reply connects the concept to Birkhoff's theorem, suggesting that if a black hole's density were expanded to that of another object, the positions of the photon sphere and Schwarzschild Radius would remain unchanged, even if they were inside the object.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the minimum orbital radius and its implications for different massive bodies. There is no consensus on the exact nature of these relationships.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not resolve the implications of the photon sphere in relation to other massive bodies, nor do they clarify the assumptions behind the proposed minimum orbits.

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Hi there,

I was reading one of my textbooks and I had a thought. For a black hole, there is minimum orbiting radius of ##R_{min}=3R_s## where ##R_s## is the Schwarzschild Radius. This minimum orbit is created by the fact that in order to obtain an orbit of that radius around a black hole, you would need to be traveling at a velocity exceeding ##c##. That's all good and dandy. However, wouldn't it be true that there exists a minimum orbit for any massive body due to the the velocity limit of c? In other words, if I am in an orbit around the Earth such that my velocity is equal to ##c##, what is my radius? Just something I thought up.
 
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The short answer is It's the same as the photon sphere around a black hole [hint, less than the radius of earth].
 
Chronos said:
The short answer is It's the same as the photon sphere around a black hole [hint, less than the radius of earth].
When you say "photon sphere" do you mean the sphere created by a radius such that ##r=1.5R_s## (for a black hole)?

Wait. I think I understand. If I think of it in terms of Birkhoff's theorem, if the density of a black hole were expanded to have the density of another object (say, the earth) then the photon sphere and ##R_s## would be unmoved but they would also be inside of the object. Is that kind of the hand-wavy gist of it?
 
Yes.
 

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