Modifying integral so that it matches the table

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The original poster attempts to integrate the expression \(\int e^x\sin(T+x)\,dx\), where \(T\) is independent of \(x\). They express confusion regarding how to apply a formula from a table of integrals due to differing arguments in the functions involved.

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  • Some participants suggest using the identity for sine in terms of exponential functions and the sine of a sum. Others propose using substitution to simplify the integral. There is discussion about the applicability of the integral table formulas given the different arguments.

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Participants are exploring various approaches, including substitution and identities, to address the integral. There is no explicit consensus, but multiple lines of reasoning are being examined, with some guidance offered regarding potential substitutions.

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There are mentions of assumptions regarding the independence of \(T\) and the need for clarity on which trigonometric identities may apply. The original poster's uncertainty about the integral table's relevance is also noted.

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I am trying to integrate:

[tex]\int e^x\sin(T+x)\,dx[/tex]

where T is independent of x. I have the following formula from a table of integrals:

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I am a little confused as to how I can use this? The arguments of my functions are not identical so I am not sure how to go about this? Can I actually use this formula?
 
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Just use

[tex]\sin y = \frac{e^{iy}-e^{-iy}}{2i}.[/tex]

You also could use the trig identity for sin of a sum to use the formulae from integral tables.
 


fzero said:
Just use

[tex]\sin y = \frac{e^{iy}-e^{-iy}}{2i}.[/tex]

You also could use the trig identity for sin of a sum to use the formulae from integral tables.

hi fzero :smile:

For your latter suggestion: Which trig identity? sine of sum goes to a product of sine and cosine, so my formula would still not apply ...
 


I would use an ordinary substitution for starters: u = x + T, du = dx. The integral then becomes:
[tex]e^{-T}\int e^u\sin(u)\,du[/tex]

That one can be done using two integration by parts.
 


Saladsamurai said:
hi fzero :smile:

For your latter suggestion: Which trig identity? sine of sum goes to a product of sine and cosine, so my formula would still not apply ...

Yes, but I'd assume there's an analogous formula for the cos integral. You can also use a change of variables [tex]u=x+T[/tex], for which [tex]e^x = e^{-T} e^u[/tex].
 


Mark44 said:
I would use an ordinary substitution for starters: u = x + T, du = dx. The integral then becomes:
[tex]e^{-T}\int e^u\sin(u)\,du[/tex]

That one can be done using two integration by parts.

fzero said:
Yes, but I'd assume there's an analogous formula for the cos integral. You can also use a change of variables [tex]u=x+T[/tex], for which [tex]e^x = e^{-T} e^u[/tex].

Ooooo you guys are sneaky!
 


fzero said:
Just use

[tex]\sin y = \frac{e^{iy}-e^{-iy}}{2i}.[/tex]

You also could use the trig identity for sin of a sum to use the formulae from integral tables.
This won't help with using the table of integrals.


But, yes, you can use this formula from the table of integrals.

Use the substitution: [tex]u=T+x\quad\to\quad du=dx\ ,\quad\text{also gives: }x=u-T[/tex]

Therefore: [tex]e^x=e^{u-T}=e^{-T}\,e^u\,.[/tex] and e-T is just a constant coefficient.
 

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