Most of the op-amps use differential amplifier

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The discussion revolves around the functioning of operational amplifiers (op-amps), specifically focusing on the use of differential amplifiers as input stages, the impact of transistor matching on bias currents, and the relationship between temperature and offset voltages. Participants explore the implications of mismatched transistors and the resulting bias and offset currents.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the lack of similarity in transistor characteristics leads to the op-amp drawing small DC current.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between op-amp characteristics and temperature, with conflicting statements regarding temperature dependence.
  • One participant notes that for BJT inputs, there will be an input bias current regardless of the matching quality of the differential pair, while FET inputs also exhibit a tiny input bias current.
  • It is mentioned that mismatching in the input differential pair results in input offset current and voltage specifications, which are distinct from input bias current specifications.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether the op-amp draws bias current due to individual transistors and if offset current adds to this when transistors are mismatched.
  • A later reply elaborates that bias currents help bias the input differential pair and that input offset current arises from the difference in these bias currents, which can affect output voltage errors in certain applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the relationship between transistor matching, bias currents, and temperature effects. There is no consensus on the statements about temperature dependence, and multiple views on the implications of bias and offset currents remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the nuances of bias and offset currents, as well as the conditions under which temperature effects are relevant. Some assumptions about the behavior of op-amps in different scenarios are not fully explored.

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1.My text says 'most of the op-amps use differential amplifier as the input stage.The two transistors must be biased correctly.But it is not possible to get exact matching of two transistors.Thus the input terminals which are the base terminals of the transistors do conduct small dc current'.
I can't understand this.If the characteristics of the two transistors are not similar would it result in the op-amp drawing small dc current?.
2.There's one line which says the op-amp characteristics do not depend on temperature and there's another statement which states the input-offset voltage depends on temperature.which is true?
 
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vvkannan said:
1.My text says 'most of the op-amps use differential amplifier as the input stage.The two transistors must be biased correctly.But it is not possible to get exact matching of two transistors.Thus the input terminals which are the base terminals of the transistors do conduct small dc current'.
I can't understand this.If the characteristics of the two transistors are not similar would it result in the op-amp drawing small dc current?.
2.There's one line which says the op-amp characteristics do not depend on temperature and there's another statement which states the input-offset voltage depends on temperature.which is true?

For BJT inputs, there will certainly be an input bias current, independent of the quality of the matching of the differential pair. Even for FET inputs, there is a very tiny input bias current. The mismatching of the input differential pair gives rise to the Input Offset current/voltage specifications, not the Input Bias Current specification.

And all of those depend on temperature. Your text must have been referring to something else when it mentioned temperature independence.
 


thank you for replying.so the op-amp will draw some bias current(due to indvidual transistors ) and the offset current will add to this current when the transistors are mismatched.am i right?
 


vvkannan said:
thank you for replying.so the op-amp will draw some bias current(due to indvidual transistors ) and the offset current will add to this current when the transistors are mismatched.am i right?

Sort of right. The bias currents are just that -- they are what help to bias up the input differential pair in their linear region. The "offset" current is the extent to which these input bias currents are different. This is important in some applications, because the input offset current will generate an input offset voltage via the input bias resistors that you put outside the opamp, and this offset voltage will get multiplied by the gain of the opamp and cause an output offset voltage error. In some applications, this doesn't matter; in others, it can be a problem.
 

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