Need assistance in Physics question relevant to Torque & Static equlibrium

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The discussion focuses on a physics problem involving torque and static equilibrium, specifically related to a gantry crane setup. Participants clarify the correct expression for sin θ, emphasizing that it should be derived from the relationship between height (H) and length (L) of the crane, ultimately leading to sin θ = H / sqrt(L^2 + H^2). There is confusion regarding the use of an extra variable, d1, which is deemed unnecessary and complicates the calculations. The correct expression for tension in the cable is confirmed as Ft = (mgx + MgL/2) / (H). Overall, the thread highlights the importance of accurate trigonometric relationships in solving the problem.
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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Static equilibrium: Net force & net torque = 0

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Am i doing this correctly for part a? [/B]
 
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Are we to assume that there are no forces on the bolts?
 
You are introducing an extra quantity d1 into your calculations, which will be difficult to calculate. Find an expression for sin θ based on L and H for the gantry crane as shown in the diagram.
 
SteamKing said:
You are introducing an extra quantity d1 into your calculations, which will be difficult to calculate. Find an expression for sin θ based on L and H for the gantry crane as shown in the diagram.

Either way even with replacing d1 with H, I still get Ft = (mgx+MgL/2) /(L sin(theta) ) . Am I on the right step?
 
Aristotle said:
Either way even with replacing d1 with H, I still get Ft = (mgx+MgL/2) /(L sin(theta) ) . Am I on the right step?

d1 ≠ H, and the expression for sin θ is a little more complicated than that. Your expression for FT is correct.
 
SteamKing said:
d1 ≠ H, and the expression for sin θ is a little more complicated than that. Your expression for FT is correct.

If I can't call the line of the pivot point perpendicular to the cable d1, what should I call it? I'm a little confused on what you mean. Isn't that all I'm looking for anyways: the tension in the cable as a function of the load position x? - which was the expression i found?. :/
 
Yes, it's absolutely fine. But can you express sin theta in terms of H and L ?
 
Jilang said:
Yes, it's absolutely fine. But can you express sin theta in terms of H and L ?

Yes you would get sin(theta) = H/L ----> H=Lsin(theta). So then my final answer would be Ft = (mgx+MgL/2) /(L sin(theta) ) ----> Ft = (mgx+MgL/2) /(H). Much better I hope? :]
 
Aristotle said:
If I can't call the line of the pivot point perpendicular to the cable d1, what should I call it? I'm a little confused on what you mean. Isn't that all I'm looking for anyways: the tension in the cable as a function of the load position x? - which was the expression i found?. :/

There's another triangle (which you are overlooking) which can give you an expression for sin θ. (Hint: the cable holding the support arm forms the hypotenuse of this triangle)
 
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Nope. Try again.
 
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SteamKing said:
There's another triangle (which you are overlooking) which can give you an expression for sin θ. (Hint: the cable holding the support arm forms the hypotenuse of this triangle)

The only triangle I see is the top triangle and bottom triangle and the triangle on the left with d1.

sin theta = H/L

How else can you derive the sin theta?
 
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Aristotle said:
The only triangle I see is the top triangle and bottom triangle and the triangle on the left with d1.

sin theta = H/L

How else can you derive the sin theta?

sin θ is not H / L. You should review your trigonometry, especially the definitions of the sine, the cosine, and the tangent.
 
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SteamKing said:
sin θ is not H / L. You should review your trigonometry, especially the definitions of the sine, the cosine, and the tangent.
Sorry about that, sin theta = H / sqrt (L^2 + H^2) :D
 
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