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The problem involves evaluating the limits of expressions involving hyperbolic sine and sine functions as \( n \) approaches infinity. The original poster seeks guidance on how to approach this limit evaluation, specifically for the expressions \( \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} 10^n e^{-t} \sinh{10^{-n}t} \) and \( \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} 10^n e^{-t} \sin{10^{-n}t} \), both aiming to show they equal \( te^{-t} \).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts a substitution \( y = \ln[f(x)] \) but finds it unhelpful. Some participants suggest using L'Hôpital's Rule and question the validity of substituting \( n = 1/a \) as \( n \) approaches infinity. Others discuss the limit \( \lim_{y \downarrow 0} \frac{\sin y}{y} \) and its relevance to the problem. There is also a discussion about the relationship between hyperbolic sine and sine functions, with some participants expressing uncertainty about why similar limit properties hold for both.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided hints and references to relevant limits, while others are questioning the assumptions and definitions involved in the problem. There is no explicit consensus, but multiple lines of reasoning are being considered.

Contextual Notes

The problem is presented as part of a challenge in a differential equations text, which may impose certain constraints on the methods or approaches deemed appropriate for discussion.

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Homework Statement



Hi, the problem is imply to show the following

[tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} 10^n e^{-t} \sinh{10^{-n}t} = \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} 10^n e^{-t} \sin{10^{-n}t} = te^{-t}[/tex]

How can I do this? Just a hint or a first step would be great, thanks :)

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The Attempt at a Solution



I've tried to make the substitution y = ln[f(x)], but I didn't get far with that.
 
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kostoglotov said:

Homework Statement



Hi, the problem is imply to show the following

[tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} 10^n e^{-t} \sinh{10^{-n}t} = \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} 10^n e^{-t} \sin{10^{-n}t} = te^{-t}[/tex]

How can I do this? Just a hint or a first step would be great, thanks :)

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The Attempt at a Solution



I've tried to make the substitution y = ln[f(x)], but I didn't get far with that.
I'm pretty sure they used L'Hopital's Rule after bringing out ##e^{-t}##.
 
No typos ? Then you can just pull out the ##\ \ t\; e^{-t} ## !
Do you know the $$\lim_{ y\downarrow 0}\ {\sin y\over y }\quad {\rm ?} $$
 
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BvU said:
No typos ? Then you can just pull out the ##\ \ t\; e^{-t} ## !
Do you know the $$\lim_{ y\downarrow 0}\ {\sin y\over y }\quad {\rm ?} $$

That's what I ended up using :) But I'm not sure if it's ok to make the substitution n = 1/a whereby as n -> inf, then a -> 0...
 
BvU said:
No typos ? Then you can just pull out the ##\ \ t\; e^{-t} ## !
Do you know the $$\lim_{ y\downarrow 0}\ {\sin y\over y }\quad {\rm ?} $$

I also don't understand why it is works for the hyperbolic sine, but I'm happy to just accept that it does, and maybe explore the proof that it does separately; this problem isn't part of a precalculus or limits specific study effort, it appeared as part of a challenge problem in a chapter of a differential equations text I'm working on.
 
For ##\sinh x \equiv {e^x-e^{-x}\over 2} \ \Rightarrow \ \sin\; i{\bf z} = i \sinh {\bf z}##
or you can use the Taylor series of ##e^x = 1 + x + {1\over 2}x^2 + ... ## to show that
$$\lim_{ y\downarrow 0}\; {\sinh y\over y }\quad = 1 $$
 
kostoglotov said:
I also don't understand why it is works for the hyperbolic sine, but I'm happy to just accept that it does, and maybe explore the proof that it does separately; this problem isn't part of a precalculus or limits specific study effort, it appeared as part of a challenge problem in a chapter of a differential equations text I'm working on.

It is much simpler than the case of ##\sin(x)/x##. Using the definition of ##\sinh(x)## we have
[tex]\begin{array}{rcl}\sinh(x) &=&\frac{1}{2}(e^x - e^{-x}) \\<br /> &=& \frac{1}{2} [1 + x + x^2/2 + x^3/6 \cdots - (1 - x + x^2/2 - x^3/6 + \cdots)]\\<br /> &=& x + x^3/6 + \cdots<br /> \end{array}[/tex]
so ##\sinh(x)/x = 1 + x^2/6 + \cdots \to 1## as ##x \to 0##. Alternately, just use l'Hospital's rule on ##f(x) = \sinh(x)/x##.
 
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