Pascal's Principle Homework: Pressure Variation w/ Height & Diameter

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The discussion revolves around the application of Pascal's principle in understanding pressure variations in a system involving two connected tubes filled with water. The original poster is exploring how changes in the height of the smaller tube and the diameter of the larger tube affect the pressure at the bottom of the larger tube.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze the effects of varying the height of the smaller tube and questions the relevance of the diameter of the upper tube. Some participants express confusion regarding the relationship between height and pressure, while others question whether height is the sole factor influencing pressure.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts and questioning the assumptions made about pressure in relation to height and diameter. There is an exploration of intuitive understandings versus theoretical principles, but no consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of Pascal's principle and the effects of fluid density, particularly in contrasting scenarios such as freshwater versus saltwater. The original poster's assumptions about the influence of diameter on pressure are also under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


A small tube is connected to the top of a larger one and the whole thing is filled with water. The small tube has height a and the larger tube has height b.

What happens to the pressure at the bottom of the larger tube as (1) a is varied, and (2) a is held constant but the diameter of the upper tube is increased?

Homework Equations


<br /> p_\text{gauge} = \rho g h<br />
Pascal's principle.

The Attempt at a Solution



(1) According to Pascal's principle, the larger tube will see a pressure increase of rho g a. This will increase the downward force at the bottom of the larger barrel, and that will be rho g a.

(2) I don't think the diameter matters, but intuitively I can't see why! If b is the diameter of a straw (a few millimeters), the smaller tube will increase the pressure on the larger one just as much as a big tube on top. It is only height that seems to matter, then, and if I took a really tall straw and put it over a large vat of water, I would see a huge increase in force at the bottom of the vat. Confused...

 
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bigplanet401 said:
and that will be rho g a.

bigplanet401 said:
only height that seems to matter

bigplanet401 said:
really tall straw and put it over a large vat of water, I would see a huge increase in force at the bottom of the vat. Confused...
... and, your question is --- what?
 
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Is height really the only thing that matters here? Intuitively, this just doesn't make sense to me. How can a small straw of liquid (say 10 cm high) exert the same pressure at the surface of the barrel as, say, a huge vat that is just as high?
 
Dive 2 m down to the bottom of a swimming pool. Dive the same distance below the surface of the ocean: do you feel more pressure?
 
MrAnchovy said:
Dive 2 m down to the bottom of a swimming pool. Dive the same distance below the surface of the ocean: do you feel more pressure?
Well you do of course because ocean water is denser due to dissolved salts, but do you feel thousands of times more pressure?
 

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